[Charlie Becknell]

I would like to share how Neil has helped me .
My doubles game was inconsistent and I couldn't figure out why. I patterned the gun and it looked ok. I was not getting anywhere until I followed his advice on patterning.
It was alot of trouble but well worth the effort. The bottom barrel shot 6" lower poi than the top.
If not for the barrels being unregulated I would have not learned from the best shotgun ballistics expert while he was still alive.
I have and will continue to help others figure out where thier gun shoots using what I have learned from my friend
Neil.
He was always there when I needed help.
Thanks Henry

How did you correct this?

 

[2llc]

Enduring tribute..... it is amazing what the man produced for us to use....... Yesterday I used his point of impact tutorial in beginning to work with a gun I own. Did not have to worry or fret or search the forums for "how to". His work came to mind, I visited the pages and was good to go..... Thank you NW.......... Larry

 

[Ram Rod]

How did you correct this?

Charlie
It took two tries to correct the poi.
First I had the barrels re sordered to raise the poi on the btm barrel.
This really helped and made both barrels shoot the same poi.

For my shooting stile I prefer that the first shot on doubles that the bottom barrel shoot higher than the top.

I ended up sending it to Briley to finnish the job. They tubed the gun so that the bottom barrel shoots 4 inches higher than the top.
Henry

 

[wayneo]

Thank you for posting.

 

[Drew Hause]

The well is deep; speed and patterns
"Fast shells spread more"- do they? (Winston)

 

[2llc]

Been raining here seems like forever..... built a solid brass 12ga shell in the lathe and chambered it for my 223 laser bore sighter. Used the kitchen table and the hallway to set up the 13 yard......... works just like the NW plan but no noise and dry. Made the solid shell to fit my DG 101, tried it in my 1100 Trap and it is a bit looser but still works..... wonder if NW ever tried it with a laser sighter? Larry

 

[JACK]

This weekend is the annual Minneapolis Gun Club "Handicap Championship". Neil was a constant contributor to his event. the Minneapolis Gun Club | Shotgun shooting club for clay targets is continuing to honor his long contribution to trapshooting and to the shoot.

 

[entropy]

I'll be there Sunday for the Singles, couldn't get Saturday off.

 

[Drew Hause]

I believe Neil would appreciate the inclusion of Tim Bruggeman's pellet hardness testing
SHOT HARDNESS RESEARCH BY TIMB99 | Trapshooters Forum

Other Shot Hardness Threads

Interesting factory shell information

Which shot shells have harder shot?

Pattern Testing

Pattern Testing - Initial Results - My Singles Reload

Pattern Testing - Various Handicap Cartridges

Pattern Testing - West Coast shot versus STS shot in a Handicap Reload

Do 8-Petal Wads Pattern Tighter, or More Open than 4-Petal Wads? The ANSWER!

The problem with low sample size look-see patterning

Pattern Testing - What About Cheap Guns???

Pattern Testing - Does My Gun Like 7-1/2's or 8's?

 

[Drew Hause]

Pellet Hardness Testing - Cartridges Purchased at 2020 ATA Grand Shell House

Pellet Hardness Testing - "Mystery Shot" Sold by Grafs at 2020 ATA Grand

 

[BSAMX]

Right, wrong or indifferent, I will miss Neil. I never responded to any of his threads because I don't believe I'm worthy but I read every one.

 

[Drew Hause]

Pattern Testing - New Zoli Z-Trap with Three Different Choke Tubes

Zoli Flush Full - 0.689 bore (0.041 constriction) - Average 76.5%

Briley Extended Full - 0.690 bore (0.040 constriction) - Average 75.5%

Zoli Extended Extra Full - 0.693 bore (0.037 constriction) - Average 75.3%

Zoli Ritmo 34” unsingle barrel. Bore diameter 0.728” and choke diameter 0.686" for a choke constriction of 0.042” - Average 76.5%

 

[Drew Hause]

Pellet Hardness Testing - Walmart Federal 4-Pack "Field & Target"

 

[Drew Hause]

Pellet Hardness Testing - Results to Date

Pattern Testing - Is Hard Shot REALLY That Much Better?

 

[leatherneck1969]

I hate getting old, because of the sense of loss that I feel from all of the good people that have gone on before me. And it seems that the older we get, the more of them that we lose. Thanks for the lasting tribute.

 

[joe kuhn]

Neil! Dang it. You encouraged me so much. Miss you dude.

 

[Johnny]

Neil was a truly a unique individual. His unlimited resources and genius were a constant source of trapshooting info. Debunking myths was of great service to trapshooters.

Some here probably remember the thread about Ludwig and the flying clay target. One of most enjoyable threads here ever.

 

[nobu]

I discovered Neils download on patterning earlier this year which finally gave me a clear explanation of how to decipher my shot pattern.
His article was/is very in-depth with many images to detail his explanations.
I was very sad to hear he passed away. His articles will live on with what I learned.

 

[Drew Hause]

Another tribute to Neil

http://www.stockdalegunclub.com/2019%20HEARTLAND%20GRAND%20ALL%20IN/2019%20Heartland%20Grand%20proof%20Final.pdf

 

[JBLewis]

After each of us are gone, it is our contributions that endure.

Tim Bruggeman's eulogy
A Few Words About Neil
Neil was a verifiable genius, and his relentless pursuit of the science of trapshooting is unsurpassed. It was his passion. And he wanted to share his knowledge with anyone who would listen, for the betterment of the sport.
In one of my phone calls with him, he asked that I let the community know, that he continued this pursuit of knowledge, literally, until the end. Over the past several months, we spoke often, and he would share bits of knowledge with me. Details about testing this or that. Pass/fail criteria.
The last time I spoke with him was a little over a week ago, and even at that time, he was "schooling" me on patterning and how to best utilize Shotgun Insight, even to the level of detail of what settings to use on his camera to get the best photographic image for the program to "find" the pellet strikes.
And on that note, I will also share with you that Neil was an incredibly generous man. Once he knew his demise was imminent, many of the scientific "items" in his collection found their way to the people whom he thought would make best use of them. I am one of those fortunate recipients. I now have his notebook with his handwritten notes in it.
The trapshooting community has lost a great resource.

Condolences and comments from the Forum
Neil Winston finished his last event.

Neil Winston Trapshooters.com 10-2014
"The fact that many things have not been explained (does not) mean that no things have been explained, nor does it mean that if I don't understand everything, I can't understand anything."

J. Oswald Sanders, Spiritual Leadership: Principles of Excellence For Every Believer
"Eyes that look are common, eyes that see are rare."
Neil had those eyes.

Neil's website
Clay Target Testing Home Page

Fast vs. slow powder pattern study
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/a-test-of-fast-vs-slower-powders-winston.68141/
Red Dot vs. Green Dot
???? question for Neil Winston

Small vs. large shot patterns; fast vs. slow fps patterns
Neil Winston
Neil Winston--Small Shot v. Large Shot
Speed vs Pattern

Recoil
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/recoil-test-of-powders-part-2-winston.79801/
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/recoil-aaaah-our-favorite-subject.834949/
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/powder-burn-rate-vs-recoil.651777/
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/perceived-recoil.493105/

Open choke tube comparison
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/brain-beretta-muller-and-other-open-chokes-tested-winston.480601/

Full tube comparison
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/use-of-xtra-full-choke.828343/
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/new-test-for-trapshooters-this-time-brain-briley-muller-tight-chokes-tested-winston.486281/#post-4800089
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/parallel-section-length-effect-on-choke-performance.806809/#post-7568875
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/herb-orre-and-the-super-choke.580033/#post-5826065

Characteristics of Gaussian distribution patterns:
1. Pattern percentage - how many of the pellets in the shell end up in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards.
http://www.claytargettesting.com/Terms/pdfs/Pattern Percentage.pdf
2. Pattern Spread - how widely dispersed are they, as measured by 75% diameter.
http://www.claytargettesting.com/Terms/pdfs/SeventyFivePercentDiameter.pdf
3. Pattern concentration or "evenness" or "hotness" as measured by central thickening.
http://www.claytargettesting.com/Terms/pdfs/Central Thickening.pdf

Reading the Breaks
Reading the breaks Ch 1. Center Hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 2 Left hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 3 Right hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 4 Low hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 5 High hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 6, shot from side (W&B)
Reading Breaks

POI Testing
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/testing-point-of-impact-at-13-yards-winston.49553/
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/point-of-impact.609041/
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/point-of-impact.611241/page-2

Pattern patchiness
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/pattern-board.824401/page-3

After each of us are gone, it is our contributions that endure.

Tim Bruggeman's eulogy
A Few Words About Neil
Neil was a verifiable genius, and his relentless pursuit of the science of trapshooting is unsurpassed. It was his passion. And he wanted to share his knowledge with anyone who would listen, for the betterment of the sport.
In one of my phone calls with him, he asked that I let the community know, that he continued this pursuit of knowledge, literally, until the end. Over the past several months, we spoke often, and he would share bits of knowledge with me. Details about testing this or that. Pass/fail criteria.
The last time I spoke with him was a little over a week ago, and even at that time, he was "schooling" me on patterning and how to best utilize Shotgun Insight, even to the level of detail of what settings to use on his camera to get the best photographic image for the program to "find" the pellet strikes.
And on that note, I will also share with you that Neil was an incredibly generous man. Once he knew his demise was imminent, many of the scientific "items" in his collection found their way to the people whom he thought would make best use of them. I am one of those fortunate recipients. I now have his notebook with his handwritten notes in it.
The trapshooting community has lost a great resource.

Condolences and comments from the Forum
Neil Winston finished his last event.

Neil Winston Trapshooters.com 10-2014
"The fact that many things have not been explained (does not) mean that no things have been explained, nor does it mean that if I don't understand everything, I can't understand anything."

J. Oswald Sanders, Spiritual Leadership: Principles of Excellence For Every Believer
"Eyes that look are common, eyes that see are rare."
Neil had those eyes.

Neil's website
Clay Target Testing Home Page

Fast vs. slow powder pattern study
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/a-test-of-fast-vs-slower-powders-winston.68141/
Red Dot vs. Green Dot
???? question for Neil Winston

Small vs. large shot patterns; fast vs. slow fps patterns
Neil Winston
Neil Winston--Small Shot v. Large Shot
Speed vs Pattern

Recoil
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/recoil-test-of-powders-part-2-winston.79801/
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/recoil-aaaah-our-favorite-subject.834949/
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/powder-burn-rate-vs-recoil.651777/
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/perceived-recoil.493105/

Open choke tube comparison
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/brain-beretta-muller-and-other-open-chokes-tested-winston.480601/

Full tube comparison
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/use-of-xtra-full-choke.828343/
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/new-test-for-trapshooters-this-time-brain-briley-muller-tight-chokes-tested-winston.486281/#post-4800089
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/parallel-section-length-effect-on-choke-performance.806809/#post-7568875
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/herb-orre-and-the-super-choke.580033/#post-5826065

Characteristics of Gaussian distribution patterns:
1. Pattern percentage - how many of the pellets in the shell end up in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards.
http://www.claytargettesting.com/Terms/pdfs/Pattern Percentage.pdf
2. Pattern Spread - how widely dispersed are they, as measured by 75% diameter.
http://www.claytargettesting.com/Terms/pdfs/SeventyFivePercentDiameter.pdf
3. Pattern concentration or "evenness" or "hotness" as measured by central thickening.
http://www.claytargettesting.com/Terms/pdfs/Central Thickening.pdf

Reading the Breaks
Reading the breaks Ch 1. Center Hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 2 Left hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 3 Right hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 4 Low hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 5 High hits (W&B)
Reading the Breaks, Ch. 6, shot from side (W&B)
Reading Breaks

POI Testing
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/testing-point-of-impact-at-13-yards-winston.49553/
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/point-of-impact.609041/
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/point-of-impact.611241/page-2

Pattern patchiness
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/pattern-board.824401/page-3

Thank you for posting, this is really good information.