This is my opinion maybe your Brain is tired getting the carp kicked out of it because macho man has to shoot the biggest high powered load. Look at it like this if every time you came home your wife hit you in the head with a bat how long before you would duck every time you came home just my 2 cants.Isee older guys moving up to a larger load because there scores are dropping let's face it we get old things chang.
WHY DO YOU THINK YOUR STARTINGTO FLINCH WHEN TRAP SHOOTING
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Got that right. I damn near dropped my gun several times I flinched so bad. Release is a godsend. I still flinch once in a great while with the release, but amazingly enough I usually still break the bird.
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..and you are? No offense but it’s awful nice to know who is giving advice.
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Oh and you shoot registered trap, right?
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Shoot low gun, your flinches will go away.
Not mine. And plenty of Sporting Clays shooters, who (mostly) use a slightly dropped pre-mount, flinch.
It is true that most of us flinchers do not flinch while upland hunting.
Not mine. And plenty of Sporting Clays shooters, who (mostly) use a slightly dropped pre-mount, flinch.
It is true that most of us flinchers do not flinch while upland hunting.
Lot's of ways around that short circuit between your eyes and hands.
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lt: None of us are fools, and some of us have done a lot of research trying to understand task specific dystonia. Cryptic comments are not helpful, and if you are aware of a means to resolve trapshooter's flinch, please share, with a list of those you cured. If it also works for golfers and other professional athletes so afflicted, you will soon be famous and rich.
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Your study of how many flinchers determined "Most people who flinch are covering the target with the barrel and while searching they panic and pull the trigger."
The dystonic reaction we call a "flinch" is primarily an inability to pull the trigger, not a panic pull.
The dystonic reaction we call a "flinch" is primarily an inability to pull the trigger, not a panic pull.
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COMPLETE lie. I have always shot a low gun and flinched.
Like titan said, who are you? Seems like you know a lot so we need to know who is giving this wonderful advice.
I don't think so. Flinch defined:Flinching is an unintended mental and physical response to a negative stimulus that results in a displacement of the shot from its intended point of impact.Visual confusion.
The flinching problem is mostly an internal disconnect/short circuit between the eyes and hands. Some people have a hard time admitting that. Some people flinch using an air gun, .22 or dry fire. A severe case could indicate a possible medical problem. Dr. how could this issue be treated? Eye issue? Or poor shooting habits/ fear of missing? Neurological disorder? When it comes to flinching it’s difficult, because few people like to admit they are either afraid or not in complete control of their minds.
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Mention should be made of the source when quoting or reference to material not your own,
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Still be nice to know who you are quoting, either medical source or some D class singles shooter. It will add to the value of your advice.
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Words (should) have meaning, and the more precise we are with our words, the better we communicate; our thoughts, our problem, our needs, and corrective measures we might try.
Links to previous threads are here, which lt has apparently declined to review
What causes a flinch? 11-2019
“Target Panic” in archers; “Yips” in golfers; “Cueitis” in billiards; “Dartitis” in dart competitors; Musician’s and Embouchure dystonia; Mogigraphia or“Writer’s Cramp”; Computer mouse-related dystonia; and the various shotgun sports “flinches” (including lunging at the trap house in response to the “trigger freeze”); are all variants of Task-Specific Focal Dystonia or “a psycho-neuromuscular impediment affecting the execution of fine motor skills during sporting performance.”
Sports psychologists understand surprisingly little about "the yips"
I would add “visual” to the definition as some flinches are clearly precipitated by some visual error ie. losing sight/focus of the target. Interestingly, golfers with hopeless putting "yips" can produce a smooth stroke when there is no ball to focus upon.
“Tics”, de la Tourette syndrome, and Meige’s syndrome are related dystonias. They are involuntary and "fear" has nothing to do with them. The syndromes are quite "personal" if one is afflicted, but not evidence of some mental "weakness" and not something that can simply be willed away
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Excellent review of “The Yips”
The Yips
What are the yips? Experts say it's not just in your head - Golf Digest
Debbie Crews PhD, a sports-psychology consultant for the women's golf team at Arizona State, and Aynsley M. Smith PhD, a sports psychologist at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota studied “yips” in golfers and found it to be “characterized by the ‘co-contraction’ of groups of arm muscles that don’t ordinarily operate at the same time: one group that extends the wrist and one that flexes it.”
The Task-specific Focal Dystonia that we call a “flinch” is a 2 part event (though occurring almost instantaneously):
1st is the “trigger freeze” from involuntary and dysfunctional contraction of opposing small muscles in the hand and forearm, followed by
2nd an entertaining variety of bodily reactions; lunging, jerking, stumbling toward the trap house, etc. involving large muscles.
One link lt...is that so hard if "it's all out in public"?
Links to previous threads are here, which lt has apparently declined to review
What causes a flinch? 11-2019
“Target Panic” in archers; “Yips” in golfers; “Cueitis” in billiards; “Dartitis” in dart competitors; Musician’s and Embouchure dystonia; Mogigraphia or“Writer’s Cramp”; Computer mouse-related dystonia; and the various shotgun sports “flinches” (including lunging at the trap house in response to the “trigger freeze”); are all variants of Task-Specific Focal Dystonia or “a psycho-neuromuscular impediment affecting the execution of fine motor skills during sporting performance.”
Sports psychologists understand surprisingly little about "the yips"
I would add “visual” to the definition as some flinches are clearly precipitated by some visual error ie. losing sight/focus of the target. Interestingly, golfers with hopeless putting "yips" can produce a smooth stroke when there is no ball to focus upon.
“Tics”, de la Tourette syndrome, and Meige’s syndrome are related dystonias. They are involuntary and "fear" has nothing to do with them. The syndromes are quite "personal" if one is afflicted, but not evidence of some mental "weakness" and not something that can simply be willed away
Tic Disorders and Twitches
Excellent review of “The Yips”
The Yips
What are the yips? Experts say it's not just in your head - Golf Digest
Debbie Crews PhD, a sports-psychology consultant for the women's golf team at Arizona State, and Aynsley M. Smith PhD, a sports psychologist at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota studied “yips” in golfers and found it to be “characterized by the ‘co-contraction’ of groups of arm muscles that don’t ordinarily operate at the same time: one group that extends the wrist and one that flexes it.”
The Task-specific Focal Dystonia that we call a “flinch” is a 2 part event (though occurring almost instantaneously):
1st is the “trigger freeze” from involuntary and dysfunctional contraction of opposing small muscles in the hand and forearm, followed by
2nd an entertaining variety of bodily reactions; lunging, jerking, stumbling toward the trap house, etc. involving large muscles.
One link lt...is that so hard if "it's all out in public"?
Here is the best explanation when SHOOTING: Ask the Instructor: Flinching
Shooting a fully mounted gun is a problem for many with a flinch.
Shooting a fully mounted gun is a problem for many with a flinch.
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See, now that was not so hard, was it? Thank you.
And before some start flaming the author on the piece I put the link to, here are his qualifications: THE COACH - Don Currie
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If "The cause of a flinch is almost always the result of an interruption of the visual connection between the dominant eye and the target", how is that visual interruption resolved with a release trigger?
BTW: I can flinch when my left eye takes over, despite being blocked with an occlusive (kinda hard to see the target when "looking" at a black dot
), but almost never is my flinch from covering the clay. I am guaranteed to flinch with a very hard and mushy trigger pull. How does that work exactly?
BTW: I can flinch when my left eye takes over, despite being blocked with an occlusive (kinda hard to see the target when "looking" at a black dot
), but almost never is my flinch from covering the clay. I am guaranteed to flinch with a very hard and mushy trigger pull. How does that work exactly?41 - 60 of 91 Posts
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