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Tomorrow I am just going to shoot my Browning F and LF chokes. No more targets. I will do more. Need to test both my IM chokes.

One problem is all my tests were done with the Fiocchi wad but I was not able to order more last week. I'm fine shooting other wads but that would be a whole new test. I'd would not want to compare data with different wads. I have some left and can't make more right now.
 
I tried to put together a table of actual choke bores to see how the different companies label different constrictions. NA means that company doesn't make that label. From a bore perspective, Browning does seem like the odd ball because they are tighter than the others at F but looser for LF or IM. With the non-Browning companies, the only types they all agree on is IM at 715 and EF at 700. I guess some of you knew all this but I didn't see it all in ne place elsewhere. Briley's line is nice and simple with product for every label and simple 5mil steps in between. This is why I choose Briley to compare with my Brownings. I have not actually tested my IM chokes yet but will when I can. I guess the argument here is that I'd need to get a Briley EF to compare with a Browning F but I am still concerned that, at least in my tests so far, the Briley's seemed less consistent shot to shot than my Brownings. If I got any of these number wrong, let me know so I can fix them.
Choke tube ID (mils) by brand for Invector DS
BrowningBrileyTru LockCarlsonComp N Choke
IM723715715715715
LF712710NANA710
F700705710710705
EFNA700700700NA

Just got my Briley Invector Plus flush choke, Extra Full. It measured at 699. A very nice choke for my .738 BT-99.
 
Discussion starter · #43 ·
I shot 4 rounds yesterday with my Browning Full: 21,19,25,23. They were all my current 1oz load except the 25 . That was Fiocchi wad with 1 1/8 oz (I know, don't even say you told me so). I felt with the F choke (extra full by most other brand standards) I could shoot a little slower which tends to by more my style. Decent pattern density further out. I am going to stick with mostly 1oz for a while because I think that will force me to be more accurate.

I ordered a Briley EF which has the same constriction as the Browning F and in the coming weeks, I will do a head to head on those to chokes. I do also want to get some data with my IM chokes just to see.
 
Don't worry about one ounce verses 9/8 ounce loads from the 16 yard line. If I recall, some pattern analysis was done using Shotgun Insight software many years ago, and the central zone of either pattern was predicted to have a 100% hit probability? I think the same thing happened comparing IM to full chokes, at least for the 16 yard line. It is so hard to find all those graphs hidden in long dead threads, but they convinced me that either load or either choke was a viable option for singles. Even though more pellets always seems like a good idea, a slow one ounce shotshell sure is a joy to shoot with such low recoil.

I do look forward to any data you gather, good analysis is so much work it is not done often.
 
Discussion starter · #45 ·
More data from yesterday. Since a Browning Full is tighter than a Briley Full, I bought a Briley Extra Full which is within a mil or two of the Browning Full. The Browning Full is measuring .7006
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and the Briley Extra Full is .6990
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I took five shots each from 30 yards. Here is a typical photo
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Here is the Shotgun Insight Averaging file for five shots with the Briley EF
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The average 75% circle is 20.81 inches and the shot to shot scatter was 4.3 percent.
Here is one of the five analyzed patterns that went into the average.
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Here is the five shot average for the Browning Full choke
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The average 75% circle is 19.8 inches with a 3.6% variation which is about an inch smaller and slightly less variation than the Briley EF. Here is what one of the Browning patterns looks like.
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So at least based on this group of shots, the Browning is producing a slightly tighter pattern with slightly less variation. Both chokes are very nearly Gaussian (bell curve) distribution on average. I think it is fair to say that there is certainly nothing intrinsically wrong with the Browning version of a .700 (nominal) choke. Certainly nothing here to cause someone to give it someone they don't like or use it as a paper weight. I think next time a go shooting, I will shoot some rounds with the Briley Full which is .705 nominal because if I shoot with a Browning Light Full, that jumps up to .712. I'll see how it goes.

I did one more set of five. All the shots to this point have been what's been my standard load for a while: Fio Hull, Fio 1oz wad, Fio 616 primer, Lawrence 7.5 magnum shot, and a #33 bushing of Clays. I don't have anymore of the Fio wads and they are out of stock so I've gone back to using the CB6100 wad. I wanted to see if the wad makes any difference or not so I shot five target with the browning Full. Here is the average fill for five shots using the CB6100 wads with all else the same.
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The average 75% circle is 18.92inches with 5.4% variation over 5 shots. So if anything the CB6100 produced a tighter pattern but had 2% more variation. Based on this, I don't feel too bad not being able to get more Fio wads. I think I can just stick with the CB6100 with this load and not worry I have a crappy pattern. Can't attach more images here so I'll continue in the next post.
 

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Discussion starter · #46 · (Edited)
Here is one of the patterns with CB6100 wad and Browning Full choke
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Thanks to those of you that pounded on me to actually measure the bores because I now see that the different brands don't all conform to the same constriction. Comparing a Briley EF to a Browning F is more of an apples to apples comparison. Although the Frowning was a bout 1 mil bigger, it still seemed to produce tighter patterns than the slightly smaller Briley EF. I also understand that a lot of folks feel that the Browning constrictions on the more open chokes like IM, are a lot more open than the other brands. Oddly, the Browning Full is tighter than the other brands. I can't say (yet) how the Browning IM (.723) patterns compared to most other brands IM (.715). You'd expect it to be bigger. Maybe at some point I will test those chokes. For now, I am more interested in shooting chokes near .700.
 
When I asked in that thread for some details on exactly how Browning chokes didn't perform, I got no replies. So I wanted to see for myself and I picked Briley as one aftermarket choke to compare with.
My biggest complaint with browning choke is their tolerances. My bore measurements of every Browning choke I come across is they have a - + or - tolerance of 2 1/2 thousands. a light full 2 1/2over is the same as a full 2 1/2 under size full. Other than that I see no difference .
 
@Rhodesengr I don't recall you bore measurement? Did you measure your bore as well? Browning must be taking chokes seriously with their new version if you got a full choke at .700
 
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@Rhodesengr I don't recall you bore measurement? Did you measure your bore as well? Browning must be taking chokes seriously with their new version if you got a full choke at .700
That gauge I have just barely reaches the bore but it does reach it. I get .738 which is consistent with other posted 725 measurements I have seen.
 
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