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How would you describe your PRIMARY "flinch"?

  • "Out-of-the-blue", unexplainable, and unpredictable

    Votes: 7 30%

  • Almost always explainable by fatigue, lack of focus, distractions, anxiety/stress, something.

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • Always a "visual flinch"

    Votes: 9 39%

  • Almost always an "out-of-the-blue" flinch, but I also have a "visual flinch"

    Votes: 1 4.3%

  • Almost always a "visual flinch", but I also have "out-of-the-blue" flinches

    Votes: 4 17%

  • About equally "out-of-the-blue" or "visual" flinch

    Votes: 0 0%
  • Total voters
    23

Flinching Poll - If Either Skeet or Sporting Clays Is Your Primary Discipline

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1.7K views 13 replies 8 participants last post by  Drew Hause  
#1 ·
For the purpose of this poll, please restrict your responses to this definition of a "flinch":
The Task-specific Focal Dystonia that we call a “flinch” is a 2 part event (though occurring almost instantaneously)
1st is the “trigger freeze” ie. an inability to contract the trigger finger, followed by
2nd a variety of bodily reactions involving large muscles; lunging, jerking, stumbling toward the trap house, etc.

Some flinchers may not be consciously aware of the "trigger freeze", but please participate even if you are not.
Many of us flinchers may also jerk the barrel or lunge forward at the shot, but without the trigger freeze, for this poll, that is not a flinch.

A "visual flinch" is the above, but precipitated by losing visual connection with the target; from bead checking, covering the target with the barrel, simply loss of focus on the target, "cross firing" or dominance shifting, a visual field defect from a floater or eye disease.

Thank you for participating and I hope we can learn something!
 
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#10 ·
This isn't about SC per se, it is about gathering information on trigger freeze as it relates to disciplines similar to trap. We have a wonderful opportunity on TS.com to chose not to open threads that may annoy us based upon the title of the thread. Embrace that opportunity.
 
#11 ·
I started trapshooting in 1961. I shot with both eyes open until a couple of years ago. In 1987 or so I took a 2nd clinic from Kay Ohye and I cannot forget when Kay stood behind me and said "Mike, that was a Flinch". I got a Release trigger for my TMX and have used it since 1990. I must admit that my highest average in Singles was shot with a Full Choke BT99 and a Pull trigger but I could shoot better Handicap scores with the TMX.

I have shot with both eyes open for most of my life but for the last 3 years I am using a tape patch on my left eye lens. I have always thought of my visual optical illusion when running over the top of the target because the left eye sees it so well as a 'Vertical' not traditional 'Horizontal' crossfire and there is no such thing in the gun literature. Many people gave up on their TMX because of the visual disconnect they got with the high rib. Dan Bonillas quit using the DB81 because he thought he shot off the end of the barrel instead of the rib especially in bad light. At age 83 my eye dominance may be more neutral instead of strong right eye dominate but the mystery misses from occasional cross-firing were getting to me.

I have used the Double Release trigger in my MX3 for the last 18 years but my Doubles average is getting absolutely pathetic. I can flinch on the 2nd bird even with the Release. I think the main problem is that my barrel is still climbing on the first bird when I let er go and I lift my head off the comb for the 2nd bird. The tape patch on my left eye lens is not helping so far in Doubles but if I cannot figure this out it will be the time to quit Doubles altogether.
 
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#12 ·
Flinch maybe one time in a thousand. Always feel confident in the shot at outset but make a bad move or lose visual lock on target. Spasms jerk gun down and to the left. Always fire the gun at end of jerk motion. Lost. Won't happen again for a month then out of the blue wham. Best described as an unexpected electric shock without any voltage. Unsettling.
 
#13 · (Edited)
In this non-statistically significant poll, compared to trapshooters, skeet and sporting clays shooters do appear to be more likely to have a visual flinch; 55% vs. 43% as their primary flinch.
How in the world do release triggers "cure" visual flinches?!?
 
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#14 ·
The poll is closed and thanks again to all who participated.
Interesting to me if not to anyone else, and though obviously low numbers, IMHO valuable information with all the flinch mythology out there.
 
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