[Robert Bo Snider]

700x i shot many years ago was clean . this crap is dirty as hell.

 

[stokinpls]

"700x i shot many years ago was clean . this crap is dirty as hell"

Maybe they got their 700X and 800X mixed up again (wouldn't be the first time it seemed that happened). With no colored flakes to ID it, who knows what we have.

I got some 700X one time that had white flakes in it. When I called the 913 number to ask about it, the guy on the line said, "It's okay to use.". End of conversation.

Bob Falfa

P.S. Here's their Customer Service page. http://www.imrpowder.com/contactus.html

 

[AveragEd]

The 700x I used back in the late 1970s was very dirty and it smoked so much you could always tell who on the line was using it. On a few occasions when three or more shooters on a squad were using it we had to stop the shooting for a minute or two on calm nights under the lights to allow the fog to clear. I quite often found small chunks of wood in it and when I asked IMR about that, I was told that was normal as wood was part of the composition and production of 700x.

Ed

 

[Leo]

Marketing and enotional attachment are always interesting factors. If the man from Hodgdon, David Campbell, says it is the same product I would be ok. Having studied human nature, I would bet on this experiment: Make 200 reloads, 100 with IMR marked product and 100 with Hodgdon marked product mixed in a bucket. Get five known 700X shooters to randomly grab 25 and shoot a round. I'll bet no one could tell the difference. I also bet at least two walk away claiming their scores are down due to the new powder not being as good as the old powder. We're kind of funny like that.

 

[Two Dogs]

Over the years 700X was always dirty, nothing has changed today..

 

[flashmax]

Over the years 700X was always dirty, nothing has changed today..

I switched to 700X because Red Dot was dirty. Then, last year, I loaded an OOOLLLLDDDDD can of 700X and had a lot of dirty bore, unlit powder flakes, problems. Even with the problems I broke 2 100 straights with it. Then got another jug of new-new 700X and the bbl is bright and shines like a new penny between shots. Even less plastic. Dirty bores now are coming from the Win AA Heavy Target loads I am shooting. Bloopers and off sounding shots. I will be glad when the 20 flats are gone. Cost me targets so I switvhed to using them as practice ammo and use the 700X in tournaments.

Don T

 

[JimF]

I came here because I had the same question. Kept searching and eventually found this commercial/explanation on youtube. It appears IMR 700X and Hodgdon 700X are the same.

 

[redudley]

I've found 700X to burn clean and perform well using loads of 16.4 grs. and 17.5 grs. with 1 1/8 oz. I've used about 16 lbs. this year. I also found you need about 1-1.5 grs. less than Mfg recommended loading to achieve published speeds.

 

[dklees]

I have both. Both have similar labels except Hogdon has their name and logo on front and back. Both say "made in Canada, Packaged in USA. I wouldn't mix them as they are going to be different lot #s. My IMR has a lower or earlier lot #. When you switch over, make sure to weigh your charges as they may be a little different density.

Both look identical but funny thing is the IMR has a noticible stronger alcohol odor and the Hogdon has very little of that odor. I asked when I purchased it and was told they were the exact same. The rifle powders are a different story and cannot be loaded the exact same. H4350 is a little slower and has similar but slightly different load data, as well as the other rifle powder. As stated earlier, the 700x is the same 700x. Lot to lot will vary slightly with any powder regardless of who owns the name.

 

[TOOLMAKER 251]

I just examined some of the 700x I have that I bought about 4-5 years ago. The cap full on the right is labeled made in Canada packaged in USA The one on the left is marked manufactured in the USA. The Canadian version powder has a semigloss texture on the flakes with yellow dots. The US version has a flat black finish with white flakes. The original Hi-Skor 700-X was made in Delaware by DuPont. I have 2 unopened 8oz. Cans of the DuPont powder. I have another half filled and the white dots have turned the same color as the powder from age.

 

[dklees]

View attachment 1069345 View attachment 1069345 View attachment 1069353 View attachment 1069361 I just examined some of the 700x I have that I bought about 4-5 years ago. The cap full on the right is labeled made in Canada packaged in USA The one on the left is marked manufactured in the USA. The Canadian version powder has a semigloss texture on the flakes with yellow dots. The US version has a flat black finish with white flakes. The original Hi-Skor 700-X was made in Delaware by DuPont. I have 2 unopened 8oz. Cans of the DuPont powder. I have another half filled and the white dots have turned the same color as the powder from age.

Yes, DuPont made it and IMR made it. I don't know the timeline or dates, but I think people always think they are the exact same but they obviously are not identical. Some reloading data will reflect the difference between them. I don't know if that's the case for 700x but I would expect some slight differences.

I always thought they were the same company, same manufacturing plant when I was younger and first started reloading. But that isn't the case for rifle powders from what I've found out.. here's a quote from reloaders talking about IMR 4350 or IMR 4320

"It's generally thought that the IMR powders, made by Expro in Quebec, are about 5% faster than the old DuPont powders. This is due to a change from cotton linters to wood linters for the production of nitrocellulose"

 

[Nebs]

Just to add some complexity to this, during the recent powder shortage, Hodgdon had some lots of 700X made by Alliant. The container says made in USA. I heard there were some problems with clumping. I also seem to recall reports of it being more silvery in color than the General Dynamics Canadian production.

 

[fightref]

I just started using Hodgdon High Skor 700x for 38 special reloading. 3.2 seems just right while 3.7 split a couple of my csses.

 

[George MT.]

I just started using Hodgdon High Skor 700x for 38 special reloading. 3.2 seems just right while 3.7 split a couple of my csses.

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