To me $1500 seems kinda high. 1K to $1200 seems more reasonable. I am sure others will chime in that it is only worth 6 or 8 hundred since it does not have choke tubes but IMO they are wrong.
If they advertise it long enough they might get the 1500 but it may take awhile.

 

And to me $600 seems kind of low. Let us not forget this is a lightly used pigeon grade shotgun! Now I admit that I'm an old geezer, way out of style and way out of touch, but is it fair to say that many shooters today are OVERLY infatuated with the modern gizmos like adjustable combs and adjustable chokes and adjustable everything else? People ran a hundred straight all the time back in the days before all that stuff, you know -- and for my money the old Browning and Winchester and Ruger over and unders were at least as good (and better looking) guns than the current favorites!

 

$1400 if in the condition you indicated.

 

I agree with pheasantmaster; I started out shooting Winchester 101's, and I don't believe what everyone says that "they kick like a mule" ! I think that all goes back to gun fit. They "might" be a little lighter than guns we see these days, and I still have a 30" Winchester pigeon Grade XTR, fixed choked gun, and I wouldn't take less than $1,500 for it now. Beautiful piece of would, and it's what I consider one of the "rare" ones; it has a 3/4" wide broadway rib on it. I've only seen a couple of others with ribs that wide. Same width as the barrels !! I did see a couple of Nikko model trap guns with the same rib configuration, and these guns are basically the same model. It is a target crushing machine, but I've moved on to K-guns (the German one), but I always let my friends shoots my Pigeon Grade trap when trying to introduce friends to the sport. I sure wish I wouldn't have sold my (2) 34" Winchester Diamond Grade top-singles, and the (2) DG O/U's I had, a 20" and a 32" gun. Loved those guns.

 

How long has it been in “local shop”?
Since you have inspected it show more interest in ANOTHER gun......offer $950
For the 101....remember.....they KICK LIKE A MULE !!!

 

I own about 5 of them. 2 or 3 20 ga. and a 30" 12ga. 3" duck gun and 28" 2 3/4" 12ga. skeet and maybe one other 12 field. I have never thought they kick excessively. The duck gun is heavy and absorbs recoil real well even with big loads. You could shoot trap loads in it all day. I didn't carry it for pheasants much cause of the weight and I prefer the 20 for pheasants. But I shot 3" loads as the second shot in the 20 with no problem. The 20s are lovely field guns.
(I have noticed my 20 ga. Pigeon grade seems to kick kinda hard. The stock also seems differently shaped especially the comb.)
If a gun kicks too hard it either is too light or the stock dimensions are wrong. Its physics not the manufacturer.
Oh, and as to value. I would not pay the kind of money you all are discussing for one. Look on gunbroker. You can buy the old ones all day for under a grand. item/764119089. But that/those are not Pigeon grade. The Pigeons don't get a super premium though.

 

I own a 101 and would agree with Cowboy Rick they do kick so consider that prior to making an offer

 

How long has it been in “local shop”?
Since you have inspected it show more interest in ANOTHER gun......offer $950
For the 101....remember.....they KICK LIKE A MULE !!!

I own two 101s one in 12Ga the other in 20 GA. While they do have a reputation of kicking hard, I've never noticed it. I do think that the fixed chokes is very limiting and i would not buy one for that reason unless you like vintage guns for other reasons.

 

My 2c. You rarely see 101s in the hands of trap shooters.

Why.....well, that's a separate issue.

 

Why is that? I shot over the week with a fella shooting a 32"unsingle diamond while I was shooting a 34" Diamond


Jason in PA

 

I own a 101 and would agree with Cowboy Rick they do kick so consider that prior to making an offer

I respectfully have to disagree about the kicking. If it kicks that bad for some people the gun must not fit them correctly. I shoot a 101 and I have never noticed it kicking any harder than any other non gas operated semi automatic. I did shoot someone else's BT 99 and I thought it kicked harder than my 101. It certainly does not kick harder than the Citori I use for skeet or hunting (26").

I used the 101 today and will continue to use it. I will also make clear that I am not a trapshooting expert. I have only been shooting a couple of years and mostly only one day a week. I don't think I would have a different opinion about the kicking, but who knows what I might think about gun choices if I was an expert. I mostly average from 20-24 at 16 practice, but I had an even older guy than me who is a far better shot than I am try it and he broke 50 straight without a strain. His comment was, "thats a pretty nice gun". (He is a diehard Browning shooter.)

Now, mine is an older gun (1966) so that might make a difference, but I've heard that the newer 101s made in Belgium kick even less because of some of the changes. I don't know that for a fact because I've never fired one. Given that you think it is a gun from the 1970s, the gun you are considering is going to be very similar to mine.

It is a Pigeon Grade, it ought to be selling for more money than a standard grade. MSRP for a new one is $2,500. In the condition you described and buying it retail, $1,400 seems fair and the price you were quoted not really out of line. I think a similar one sold here person to person for about the same money several months ago. If I needed a second 101 I would not hesitate to pay $1,400 for one and maybe more once I had examined it.

Another consideration is that because of all the people that disparage 101s they are less popular than Brownings and often take longer to sell. They are also less money both new and used.

 

I appreciate your comments and information. I'm somewhat undecided at the moment regarding making an offer or not? I've no doubt about the condition of the gun.....my hesitation is more about what's right for me. I've never owned an over/under and only fired 100 rds or so through one....ever. But, I'm a Winchester fan (at least for the older Winchesters) and this gun could be a nice opportunity to try a quality over/under for a reasonable price. I may be proven wrong, but I believe the recoil will be manageable. If Iget it bought, I guess we'll find out soon enough! Thanks

 

1100 ...if as new

Think about this.. any higher and you are in the new Browning or used Berreta older 682 range

 

A New Browning over/under trap gun at that price? The Browning Citori 725 Trap has an List Price of : $3,300. That is the Browning most comparable to the Winchester 101 he is looking at. Granted the new Browning will have choke tubes and back boring and may well be worth the average street price of $2,900 but that is a long way from $1,400-1,500 he is looking at. The cheapest used Beretta 682 trap in great condition I've seen is around $2,500.

I want to shop where you shop.

 

I’ve sold 2 this year $1500 each both were mint condition

 

I'd wait on the 101 and look at some used Browning trap models. A trap Citori with choke tubes should be a little less than the 101 price and will hold its value if you decide to sell it. Not to mention you can shoot the Browning a lot before it would need any repairs.

 

The number of people willing to buy fixed choke guns is decreasing by the day.

Every time I look at an o/u online with fixed chokes, I think "well, it's going to cost about 500 bucks to have chokes installed", at which point most guns become a LOT less attractive.

 

The number of people willing to buy fixed choke guns is decreasing by the day.

Every time I look at an o/u online with fixed chokes, I think "well, it's going to cost about 500 bucks to have chokes installed", at which point most guns become a LOT less attractive.

I'm sure you're right. Tubes are pretty much all I see at local clubs. Fixed chokes have been the norm for me as I shoot a Model 12 with 2 barrels....Imp Mod & Full, although I've used the Imp Mod almost exclusively. I would not expect to add tubes to the 101 if I get it bought. As I hopefully advance in my shooting, I'll likely move into the modern world one if these days. Just haven't got there yet! Thanks

 

cow boy rick has it right kick like a mule. I had one for years and everytime you pull the trigger you just hope it don't go off.

 

That's funny! I was stupid enough back in my 20's to buy a Spanish made 10 ga. 3 1/2 " magnum so I'm familiar with that feeling! It had a double trigger, of course, and when I pulled front trigger I thought my middle finger was ruined forever!

 

I appreciate your comments and information. I'm somewhat undecided at the moment regarding making an offer or not? I've no doubt about the condition of the gun.....my hesitation is more about what's right for me. I've never owned an over/under and only fired 100 rds or so through one....ever. But, I'm a Winchester fan (at least for the older Winchesters) and this gun could be a nice opportunity to try a quality over/under for a reasonable price. I may be proven wrong, but I believe the recoil will be manageable. If Iget it bought, I guess we'll find out soon enough! Thanks

If you bargain it down much at all you will not lose money on it. Winchester 101s lock up like a vault. If you don't like it and don't scratch it up then sell it and move on. I expect you will own it a long time even if you move to another gun.

 

I've had the same thought about not losing money if I'm not happy but you're also probably right about owning it a long time. Through the years, there have not been many guns I've traded or sold that I didn't wish I still had! Thanks

 

101 trap models usually weighed 7 1/2 pounds. The standard recoil pads were pretty hard. I think that is partially the reason people think they kick.

 

This one is unaltered so I would assume it's at standard weight. I mentioned earlier that I have added weight to my Model 12 to bring it up over 9#. It can feel a little awkward to me at that weight but I've noticed that's in direct relation to how well I'm shooting. The better I shoot, the better my gun feels! Yesterday I asked the top shooter at our club how much his gun weighs and he told me over 11#. From what I've read & heard, 10 -11# trap guns are not uncommon. Thanks

 

A New Browning over/under trap gun at that price? The Browning Citori 725 Trap has an List Price of : $3,300. That is the Browning most comparable to the Winchester 101 he is looking at. Granted the new Browning will have choke tubes and back boring and may well be worth the average street price of $2,900 but that is a long way from $1,400-1,500 he is looking at. The cheapest used Beretta 682 trap in great condition I've seen is around $2,500.

I want to shop where you shop.

Just a Citori-- not a 725 and I just sold a Berretta for $1400 myself so they are out there--- I do not want to shop where you shop and buy--

 

I'm sure you're right. Tubes are pretty much all I see at local clubs. Fixed chokes have been the norm for me as I shoot a Model 12 with 2 barrels....Imp Mod & Full, although I've used the Imp Mod almost exclusively. I would not expect to add tubes to the 101 if I get it bought. As I hopefully advance in my shooting, I'll likely move into the modern world one if these days. Just haven't got there yet! Thanks

I have lived through this whole era. My first Perazzi, which I purchased from Daniele in Brescia, Italy in 1972, had interchangeable chokes in the bottom barrel. They were true "gen. 1" chokes and were essentially prototypes for Perazzi. I now have more shotguns than I could ever need and more than several have interchangeable chokes while many have factory fixed chokes. While I appreciate interchangeable chokes, I would not take a gun with factory chokes and have them bored out and interchangeable chokes installed.
Truth is, if your main sports are trapshooting or variations of it and serious sporting clays then a good modified-full is what most all serious shooters use.
If you shoot skeet with the same gun that is a different issue. Skeet does require open chokes.
You can always have Briley or someone install chokes. But don't do it without shooting the gun for a while. Then decide to leave it alone. :idea:
Most guns go down in value when you install aftermarket chokes.

 

I shoot the 101's for registered ATA trap. A Diamond unsingle for hdcp/singles and a pigeon grade xtr for dbls.
The pigeon has factory chokes and the tan hard case. The one your looking at has the fixed chokes and tan hard case? I would consider this a mid to late 70's gun.
I would say the current price is a little high. $1200 would be a good offer. You wont be able to find a quality O/U for that price. As for the kick. Have it fitted to you that will take care of the face slapping
If it does kick to much.


Jason in PA

 

Yes, this one has fixed chokes & the tan case. I have not looked at serial number but '70s is what I was thinking. There have been a lot of comments about recoil, here on the forum and also at my local club. I may be proven wrong but I think the recoil, if it's actually an issue, can be handled. I load at 1 1/8 oz at about 1175 fps using Green Dot so I'm not loading anything too hot & don't intend to. Re the price, I think I can get it bought for $1200. We'll see. Thanks

 

plus side these guns are built like a tank and have very few issues,Winchester did a great job of the design except for the recoil of the gun.Not many shooters prefer the 30 inch barrel part and most were Improved mod and full.Tight for a doubles gun on the first shot,and not liked for singles with the 30 barrels.I would n,t what to pay that much for that gun unless I really liked it,with the fixed tubes and barrel length it’s just not guys like today.If you pay to much and down the road you would like to sell it will be tough to sell,my 2c.

 

All good points and I appreciate hearing your thoughts. I intend to go take another look today so we’ll see how it goes. Thanks

 

Jaquas has a mint 101 Pigeon Trap for sale, with case, for $1495. That’s a solid retail price. A private sale price would be in the $1000-$1200 range as others have stated.

 

Boomer, thanks for the note on the 101 at Jaquan. This gun has the tan leather case as well. I have an offer in at $1050.00 out the door. Have not heard back yet as the gun shop had to contact the owner. We'll see! Thanks

 

Hope you get it. That would be a very fair price.

 

Thanks! It's after 5 here so likely won't have an update before tomorrow.

 

That's funny! I was stupid enough back in my 20's to buy a Spanish made 10 ga. 3 1/2 " magnum so I'm familiar with that feeling! It had a double trigger, of course, and when I pulled front trigger I thought my middle finger was ruined forever!

That's funny. I did that one time when I got my first old double gun. :crying: Hard way to learn that you were supposed to use the same trigger finger on both triggers, just the front one first then switch triggers. And, not only does it almost crush your middle finger, it almost always fires the second barrel. :34:
A mistake most don't make more than once.
Jake

 

An update for anyone that's interested. No Pigeon Grade Trap 101 for me......yet. I am $180 apart from the owner. He's at $1250 & I pay the tax (approx. $80). I'm at $1150 out the door. We'll see!

 

As they say in my part of the world, poco a poco.
Good luck.

 

My 2 cts.
I shot an unsingle 34"for,years,broken a few 100x100's and it got me back to 27 yds 2 times.
I never noticed any kick ,but I'm 6' and 250, and I always had an Edwards recoil reducer in the stock,, don't know if it was needed but I had it and was told the gun would kick ,so I put it in.. CC