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It must be nice to be perfect in every way. Funny though I don’t see a halo above your head or angel wings on your shoulders. For the rest of us, I use dbl beads all the time and it helps a lots with my shooting.
 
Great thread so I only have 1 bead at end no mid bead and I need to shoot at straight away clays low left 7:30 ish on a clock to get that Puffball . How do I shim stock for correct poi
 
Maybe.

Hopefully the smart ones will figure it out. If not, I'll summarize:



The big error people make is in thinking that "stacking the beads", or having an "80/20" pattern is the goal.

Those are consequences, not goals. The goal is to break targets. Set the gun up to break targets.

What your "sight picture" looks like, or what your pattern "percentage" is doesn't matter.

All that matters is whether your gun set up allows you to consistently break targets to the best of your ability.

If you then want to figure out what that set up "looks like" on a pattern board so you can return to it with a new gun, or after losing or gaining weight, or whatever . . . fine. Knock yourself out.

But we see too many people here who start out where their goal is "stacking the beads" or "shooting an 80/20 pattern." It's the old "cart before the horse" situation.

It's already been mentioned, and I've mentioned it a ton of times myself, to "set up" a gun is very simple:

Lock the trap to throw a straight away from post three. Stand there and shoot targets from the 16 and adjust your comb until you are smoke balling the target.

There. You're done. For singles. Now do the same thing from your handicap yardage. If you need to change the comb height at your yardage then you have a decision to make: either use shims to change between events, or learn to shoot singles with your handicap adjustment (it can be done).

Then, as I've mentioned, if you want to "document" that set up on the pattern board, have at it.

But whatever that set up is, it is a consequence of adjusting your gun to break targets.




Then Sharpie your beads black and stop worrying about the "snowman."
Agree with you 100%.
 
Great thread so I only have 1 bead at end no mid bead and I need to shoot at straight away clays low left 7:30 ish on a clock to get that Puffball . How do I shim stock for correct poi
Adjustable comb. i wouldn't mess with the stock, but that’s just me.
 
The question then is how do you make sure your gun is straight and square to your body before calling for a target???
You may be lucky the gun fits you perfectly. But for us humans it is a good double check that everthing is good before shooting. Space between the beads is another way to check POI on the target, just so u know. It does vary among us tall people. For me an inch between beads gives me an 80/20 lead on the bird.
Next time I see Michael Diamond, I'll ask him whether he was lucky, or not human. No mid bead. Olympic and world records, 2 Olympic golds, so many world championships and world cups I won't list them, and more National and State titles than a politician's lie count.

No mid bead.
 
Next time I see Michael Diamond, I'll ask him whether he was lucky, or not human. No mid bead. Olympic and world records, 2 Olympic golds, so many world championships and world cups I won't list them, and more National and State titles than a politician's lie count.

No mid bead.
His gun fits him extremely well. There is nothing wrong with that. It also may be his eye sight works well with the gun he shoots. I am just saying just because he doesn’t need them , doesn’t mean another person shouldn’t have 2 beads. I have heard of top shooters that don’t have a bead at all. Does that mean Mr Diamond is shooting a BS gun? Of course not. To each their own be true.
 
The question then is how do you make sure your gun is straight and square to your body before calling for a target???
You may be lucky the gun fits you perfectly. But for us humans it is a good double check that everthing is good before shooting. Space between the beads is another way to check POI on the target, just so u know. It does vary among us tall people. For me an inch between beads gives me an 80/20 lead on the bird.
I, like most humans make sure my gun fits. Just so you know that's a good place to start. I've known good shooters that actually blacked out the beads. You didn't want to bet against them breaking a good score. Space between the beads is about as arbitrary as "60/40 or 80/20. How many inches high is what your looking for. Also,"80/20" doesn't give you lead, but your point of impact. Thanks for trying to straightening me out though, but I think I'll continue to do things my way. It's worked pretty well for me.
 
I, like most humans make sure my gun fits. Just so you know that's a good place to start. I've known good shooters that actually blacked out the beads. You didn't want to bet against them breaking a good score. Space between the beads is about as arbitrary as "60/40 or 80/20. How many inches high is what your looking for. Also,"80/20" doesn't give you lead, but your point of impact. Thanks for trying to straightening me out though, but I think I'll continue to do things my way. It's worked pretty well for me.
What is the difference between lead and point of impact???
 
Shoot your gun at a dot on the pattern board. Is the pattern dead on? Left? Right? High? Low? Where the pattern hits the board is your point of impact. Lead is how far in front of the moving target you must point the gun to intersect the pattern with the clay.
 
Isn’t it interesting that this discussion repeats itself quite often and the comments are basically the same? Unless I’m really bored, I skip over this title. There is no one size fits all solution.
 
For me it is pretty simple:

1. If I want to raise the POI I raise the comb.
2.Once I have the comb adjusted for my desired POI I adjust the rib for comfort of view over the muzzle. Normally basic bead alignment is fine I do not have to have a figure 8 at all cost.
3.If I have a shotgun with a adjustable comb only I adjust for the desired POI but if the view over the muzzle leaves me viewing a lot of the rib that is not something I like to shoot over.
4.Do what works for you but I feel you get the most POI adjustment from a adjustable comb not your rib.
This is a very good synopsis. Regarding point #3, if you’re unable ignore or tune out the spacing between beads, a hack to consider is moving the rear bead closer to the front bead. Around 14-15 inch separation should do the trick.
 
Isn’t it interesting that this discussion repeats itself quite often and the comments are basically the same? Unless I’m really bored, I skip over this title. There is no one size fits all solution.
Beating a dead horse comes to mind, though you would get more of a workout and the physicality of it may help you feel more well and have improved overall health so long as you don't mind the smell... maybe we should just haul off these posts to the dead pile🐮💀👻
 
Charlie brown's teacher should be moderating this discussion, " blah blah blah ba blah, blah" end quote.
 
Isn’t it interesting that this discussion repeats itself quite often and the comments are basically the same? Unless I’m really bored, I skip over this title. There is no one size fits all solution.
Beating a dead horse comes to mind, though you would get more of a workout and the physicality of it may get you a better workout and you may feel more well and have improved overall health so long as you don't mind the smell... maybe we should just haul off these posts to the dead pile🐮💀👻
 
Correct me if I'm wrong! If you put the two beads in a snowman configuration front bead higher than the back bead the gun will shoot the same POI no matter where you move the comb! The purpose of the comb is to adjust the gun to you so that you can put the beads in the snowman configuration (thus: making the gun fit you) and not to change POI!
So if a gun shoots 60/40 (assuming that the beads are in the snowman configuration) no matter where you move that comb it will still shoot 60/40 if the beads are in a snowman configuration.
Uh, no. I will shift the bead position and POI will change. If I change comb the POI Will change. But then maybe it’s just me.
 
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