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3.4K views 17 replies 12 participants last post by  gdbabin  
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It is my understanding that, if she broke 200, she would shoot off for High Gun for the event. If she loses that shoot off, she would fall back to Lady II, and shoot off there if necessary. She would not be eligible for Class D trophies.

Now, if she broke a 199 AND a 200 was shot for High Gun AND a 200 was shot by a Lady II shooter, then she would be eligible for D Class as she was not in the running for either of the other categories.

From the ATA Rule Book...

3. Any shooter who is tied for event Champion may shoot-off/carry-over
for the Championship trophy. If a shooter fails in the championship
trophy shoot-off/carry-over and has declared a special category at
the time of classification, the shooter will fall back to the declared
special category.

4. Any shooter who has declared a special category at the time of
classification and whose score qualifies for any trophy in his/her
declared category, will compete for the category trophy and not for
place, class or yardage group.

5. Any special category shooter whose score does not qualify for a
trophy in his/her category, may compete for place, class or yardage
group trophies.
 
#3 ·
Everybody can shoot off for Champion.

In your scenario, your wife could be (or shoot off for) D Class champion provided she did not qualify for a category trophy (High Lady 2, Lady 2 R/U, Lady 2 3rd, etc).

If a category shooter qualifies for a category trophy, that is the trophy that they will win or shoot off for.

If she had a 200 and shot off for Champion and lost that shoot off, she'd fall back to High Lady 2, which she'd either win outright, or shoot off for with any other Lady 2 competitors who were likewise unsuccessful in their bid to be Champion.

If she shoots off for High Lady 2, and loses, then she can only win a Lady 2 runner-up, or 3rd, etc. trophy (if they exist). She can't then win a class trophy (for that event).
 
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reddottm1

Your example can be explained very easily according to the current fall back rules; In that situation the Sr. Vet very simply "BUTTA BINGED" himself because he declaired catagory prior to shooting. This is as irritating as it gets when it happens to you or a good friend. Especially so, when the catagory shooter brakes more targets in the event than the person that winds up in the runner up spot from a shoot off result that he or she didn't even qualify for in the first place.......Think carefully before declairing catagory......

Lewis LaRoche, Sr.
 
#9 ·
There is no "Lady" category for "anyone who's not in the AA game".

If a point shoot does not use the new Lady I and Lady II designations, then they will have Lady (which will include both) but it is still for AA points. The ATA will just transfer the points to the proper category.

If a point shoot uses Lady I and Lady II, there will be no "Lady" category. A lady would have to declare for one or the other, or not at all.
 
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#10 ·
Big M Perazzi,

I posed this question to Dave Kaiser. He writes the article House Rules for Trap and Field.

"If one chooses a category or a sub-category are they locked into that category for every shoot thereafter? On page 19, of the rule book, #7 says that the choice is 'irrevocable.' Does that mean that you cannot change for that event, shoot, or is it permanent?"

Mr. Kaiser's reply was, "The rule you are refering to has to do with changing categories that are age based. For example if you turn 70 during the target year and choose to declare Senior Vet at a shoot, you must continue to declare Senior Vet and may not declare Vet at any SUBSEQUENCE shoot. Under thosae circumstances you may choose to continue declaring Vet for the remainder of the current year but once you declare Senior Vet you are LOCKED IN."

The capitol letters are my doing not Mr. Kaiser's.

Keep Your Head Down and Follow Through,

Harold T. Pack
 
#11 ·
Harold, my point was, you do not have to declare a category at every shoot..

only for the duration of that shoot.

I could declare sub-vet at the GLG, and no category at the Grand.

Nothing to do with mr Kaiser's reply....
 
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#12 ·
My wife was in the same boat. Just keep in mind if she is a "D" shooter, and shoots in "D" class, she is competing against other "D" shooters (theoretically). If shes a "D" shooter and declares "Lady" class, she is now competing against AA shooters.
 
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#13 ·
Wifes should remain in the galley where they belong thereby negating the requirement for "special" girl rules.


Thier only commitment to Trap Shooting should be the production of fresh ham sammiches upon request.


All the rest should man-up and shoot. No categories, excuses or other BS.



Guy B.
 
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#17 ·
gdbabin wrote: "Wifes should remain in the galley where they belong thereby negating the requirement for "special" girl rules.

Thier only commitment to Trap Shooting should be the production of fresh ham sammiches upon request.

All the rest should man-up and shoot. No categories, excuses or other BS"


How's that working out for ya Guy????
 
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