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Any advice would be appreciated

If the price is right get them. I picked up 2,000 for $12.50 @ 1000 and load them in Gold Medal hulls for the last time before pitching them. Never had a problem with them. As far a interchanging them there not a hot primer so that's not a big issue. But I do load them with Green Dot.

 

Nobel 686 primers produce low pressures and until recently I believe it was Alliant Powder that published a statement in their reloading data guide that they recognized them as direct ballistic substitutes for Winchester primers.
Nobel recently introduced the 688 primer which they state produces higher pressures than the original 686 ( closer to Winchester primer pressures) and is to be loaded to the same data as the 686.

Using Forefox Send, I've PMed you a link to the .pdf reloading data file Nobel Sport published last year through their US distributor DKG Trading Co. The link will work with any browser but will be active only for 1 download or 24 hours whichever comes first. If you don't get to it in time, PM me for another link.

 

I have had no issues with Noble Sport primers in STS/Nitro. I have loaded well over 25,000. Tim Hall

 

Agree with Tim, I've loaded more than 10k of them and can't remember EVER having an issue. Not junk.

They are a larger size than Win primers so the primer pocket will be enlarge and once you use one in a hull you can't use a Win primer afterwards, not a big deal as Noble's are the only primer I have now...if I get a decent price on other primers I would just throw these hulls out and start fresh.
R

 

I use 17 gr. Red Dot, Claybuster CB1100-12 (WAA12SL), Nobel Primers, AA hulls, and 1 oz. magnum shot. This gets me somewhere in the range of 1160fps. Load data calls for 16.5 gr. to get 1145fps. I hope this helps?

 

Keep in mind that the velocity a load produces is not necessarily a reflection of the peak chamber pressure it generates. Pressure generation is more complicated than that; that's why using a backyard chronograph alone is a risky way to determine the safety of a wildcat load... one that have been assembled "by gosh and by golly" but has not been tested for both velocity AND chamber pressure in laboratory equipment designed for such a purpose. I've developed a considerable number of load formulas using Nobel primers and component combinations for which there is NO published data and all have been tested for pressure and velocity; I've been surprised by some of them, as have the people who tested them. Neither Alliant nor Hodgdon, if asked, will hazard any suggestions for their use as neither company has tested them in their lab.

 

they do not work well with slow burning powders as they are not hot enough to fully ignite the powder, result is bloopers and a dirty barrel and action.

 

That might have been true with the 686's but not in my experience with the 688's.
Is this first hand knowledge? Which powders? What loads?
I've never had a blooper with a 688, and as for dirty barrels, that's really a function of powder and/or enough pressure to get a clean burn.
R

 

Nobel Sports primers are an exact replacement for the Winchester 209. Same pressure -- and that's important, especially if you're reloading sub-gauge hulls for skeet.

 

Nobel Sport primers are good primers, but they won't feed reliably thru my Spolar. Before I upgraded, they worked just fine for years thru my RCBS Grand. Now I have 10K Nobel Sport primers that I can't use.

ABH.

 

I'm really surprised to read this. Although Carter supposedly had my Spolar "set up" for Winchester primers, I've found that NobelSports feed more smoothly and reliably through my machine than any other brand. Winchester is probably second, but Cheddite, Remington, and Federal are aggravating. I'm exclusively NS now and have near zero problems with loading or shooting.

 

I have gotten a lot lite firing pin hits . No trouble with any other primer

 

Some people have had Light hits and I have also though RARELY. I only had that with the the federal Top gun hulls. Never had it in any other hull. Only problem I see with them is they enlarge the primer pocket and once you start using them in a hull .you have to stick with them. The regular 209 size will fallout if put in behind them.

 

I have gotten a lot lite firing pin hits . No trouble with any other primer

That doesn't seem to be a common complaint with these primers and I would suspect the gun before I condemned the primer.

 

It may sound crazy but I have had this problem with them in the winter. Never in the summer.

 

I got about 2500 Nobel Sports that came with a reloader I bought. I've been using them for hulls that are towards the end of their life as practice shells. As stated above, I'm also having an issue with light primer strikes that only happens with these primers. They also don't work well with slow burning powders as mentioned also. Otherwise for my practice loads they're okay, but I wouldn't use them in competition.

 

A couple other points to consider is Nobel primers have a different diameter than Winchester's. Often the primer pocket in the hull is enlarged after using primers such as Cheddite. Many people (not all) have experienced pierced primer issues using Cheddite primers and this is particularly bad on Browning OU guns. A friend burned up a number of firing pins while using Cheddite's. He switched to Win 209 and has had no such problems. If saving a few cents per round is that important you could try them. That is not a compelling reason for me to use Cheddites.

 

I have gotten a lot lite firing pin hits . No trouble with any other primer

I had this happen to but after I replaced the firing pins and springs in my 3200 they fired every time. They increase the primer pocket so don't mix them up.

 

Other than the primer being very hard and it being oversize, no problem. I wouldn't try to reload the shells again with a different type of primer after using Nobels in them.

 

The Nobelsport and Winchester primer are so close to identical in their measurements that one could say they are the same. The "A" dimension is the lead in diameter and is visually different for a short length. But in every other measurement the Nobelsport is either equal to or smaller than the Winchester.

 

The Nobelsport and Winchester primer are so close to identical in their measurements that one could say they are the same.

I'd advise caution in taking as gospel the information in an 8 year old chart regarding dimensions that are subject to both design changes and manufacturing tolerances.

 

Along with being oversized I had a lot of off sounding\light recoil in cold-er temps, 40% F or lower, never had problems with other brands. They were just fine in warmer temps. Ross Puls

 

I had a lot of off sounding\light recoil in cold-er temps, 40% F or lower, never had problems with other brands.

:dito:

 

Go look at this thread from last year. http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/noble-sport-primers.410433/#post-4003633

It talks about the 686 versus 688 primers that Nobel makes and shows the differences. In my opinion the 688's were 100 times a better primer but that could just be that they were a newer batch and had better quality control. The 688's did not seem to be as large as the 686's but I did not measure them. They did go in the shells easier and the primer hole was covered in all of them versus about 6 or so out of every hundred with the 686's.

 

I have an opportunity to buy 3300 Nobel Sport 209 primers from an estate sale at a low price. I have many AA plastic hulls and Federal Gold Medal hulls. I also have e3, green dot, and red dot powder. I prefer 1 oz load and 1145fps. After reading several threads on this site...I'm aware that the diameter of these primers are larger that the Win 209.

Can anyone point me to a tested recipe using the Nobel primer with any of these hulls or powder? Any advice would be appreciated....

Not 100% sure, I think the diameter is different than the Winchester 209s if you are using them now, I believe if you stick with the nobel and don't try to use both you will be fine

 

Don't know about Noble Sport but newer Cheddite's and Winchester primers are made to the same dimensions. There are actually three dimensions on the male portion of the primer. The lead- in dimension, for both brands, is .239/.240. The body dimension is .241/.243 and the last dimension, at the flange, is .242/.243. The flange/body diameter is larger because the body is expanded from the primer cap being pushed in. These primers are all out of round about .001/.0015 so the numbers are average dia.

I've shot at least 15,000 Cheddites without issues or any problems. I've loaded Win. and Remington STS hulls interchanging Cheddites and Win. primers depending on what I had also without problems.

 

I like these primers cost lest and work well. I buy 20k at a time. Did not mix well with titewad. Probably because it was winter. Does work wonderfully with 700x year round for me.

 

Once you start using them you have to keep using them in any shells that you loaded them in. I was using them to reload one time and throw them away.

 

Once you start using them you have to keep using them in any shells that you loaded them in.

I'm not sure that I see any disadvantage in this unless you randomly load a variety of formulas using different primers in the same hulls

 

I have used thousands without an issue, but only shot them in temp's above 50 degrees. I recently started having blooper issues and suspected at first it was the wad as I had just switched to a DR windjammer style wad. I went back to the AA style and still had blooper issues so I then concluded I must have gotten a bad batch of powder as I had just started into a new keg of Promo. So I loaded up the same shells using E3 and still had bloopers. As a last recourse I switched the Nobels for Win. primers and the blooper issue went away. I would not recommend these primers if your going to be shooting in cooler weather.

 

Loaded last night with Winchester 209 not one problems in 300 rounds today. Yesterday 22 fired weak report or no fire. Out of 200. No more Noble primes for me.