Let's keep something in mind. Hodgdon is providing load data for Nitro 100 NF. Hodgdon is providing load data for Titewad. They are not giving a warning about Nitro 100 NF . Being different from Nitro 100 NF.

 

Hodgdon is also not (at least yet) publicly stating that Nitro 100 NF is Titewad.

 

Read my post #43 and #48 did I say that they were?
Did I say that Hodgdon said they're the same?

 

Looking at prices of powder and ammo, looks like powder and ammo r jumping on the price increase wagon!!

 

Nitro 100 NF is listed in the online reloading data center. As of Now. That's current data.
What can you not understand
You and only you seam to not understand this.

 

I understand it. Please read my posts number 44, 46, 47, 49, and 53 again, and read them as if a single post.

Until Hodgdon explicitly clarifies this matter, does it not benefit all, from the perspective of personal safety, to approach this from a perspective of safety?

 

Can you currently " pull up " that 2.1 loading data. From Accurate /Hodgdon.Not something that you have saved. Current.

 

That's because it's not from Hodgdon, it's from Western Powders, Inc..

 

You seam to have an issue. Have you compared the 2.1 data to the on line current data from Hodgdon?

 

Western's website is gone. Perhaps they have folded up shop. It is available on the internet elsewhere, but may originally have been in print. For but one example (which I downloaded from the internet and then posted directly to this forum):

https://www.trapshooters.com/attachments/accurate-nitro-100-nf-load-data-pdf.1906882/

 

THanks for posting that. I'm happy to have the recipes that match the original container I'm loading from!

 

So are saying that the old data actually has been pulled.? No longer available.? From the manufacturer/Distributor. ? Except for were you or someone else has saved it.?
Can you get in writing? From Hodgdon the distributor. That there are two different Nitro 100 NF powders.

 

The burden of proof lies with the beholder. As I stated elsewhere, and due to your insistence in urging others to be potentially unsafe, I called and talked with a Hodgdon rep, and I have (here and elsewhere) urged others to do likewise. I will leave it up to the forum body and it's administration to decide if I have a problem or not.

 

So what good will it do for anyone else to contact Hodgdon.?
You will not believe them. I guess we should all just use the data. Provided in the Lyman 5. Instead of the current data provided by the manufacturer/distributor then.

 

So since this is my Thread any new word on 700X.
Steve

 

If the cycle continues. As it did the last year or two. The next batch should be available around March.

 

I was in a local store this afternoon in northwest pa and there was five four pound jugs at 120 each I believe. Not sure of your location.

 

Hodgdon doesn't say anything about them being different. Because they are not. Fill free to ask them for yourself. I already have. Use the data you have.
Have you compared both sources? With an understanding it's from two different labs. What l have seen . They are with in a couple tents of a grain. If not the same. But I didn't look at every possible combination.
Overall the latest data is on the conservative side.

 

Same. I have western powder printed data from a few years ago, it matches closely to what hodgdon lists today. Seems like they are the same. I’m wondering if whomever silver_is_money spoke to at hodgdon misunderstood his question and instead stated that Nitro 100 and Nitro 100NF were 2 different powder. That I’d agree with.
Even on hodgdon’s website they list the old western powder guide that matches their own data.

https://hodgdonpowderco.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/WesternPowdersHandloadingGuide8.0_WEB-1.pdf

 

Finally someone looked. Thank you.
I don't know who he talked to. Or what was said. But I do believe there's some miscommunication going on. Between him and whoever he spoke to.

 

Or just people that cant get long.
Lol

 

To even infer that all of Western's Nitro 100 NF is effectively Titewad, one must first presume that every lot of Western's version of this powder was manufactured by General Dynamics, and that it was never manufactured by Explosia in either Czechoslovakia or Belgium, and also that Western never asked General Dynamics to duplicate the Explosia version as closely as possible after they switched it to General Dynamics from Explosia (for the presumption that it was first made by Explosia).

Carefully review post #47 in this thread. Western's very own burn rate chart shows their Nitro 100 NF to be two tiers faster in burn rate than Hodgdon's Titewad. This is so obvious that no one should be overlooking it, yet it appears that many are willing to fully overlook it.

I'm not disputing that Hodgdon's current version shares the same load data with Titewad as seen on their load data website. But rather I'm asking everyone to simply call Hodgdon and ask if any of Western's Nitro 100 NF is different and faster burning than Titewad (in full agreement with Western's published burn rate chart) such that one shouldn't use Titewad data with it. If Western knew from the onset that their Nitro 100 NF was simply Titewad, their burn rate chart would have indicated this, but it clearly and most emphatically doesn't.

Most of all, be safe.

 

I am only looking at and recommending using. The current data for Nitro 100 NF. If you were to actually look at it. Your recommendation is for data. That has higher pressures .

 

I'm not sure as to what the intent of the above actually is, but if per chance you are stating that current load data exhibits a bit lower pressures, then you have made my (and the Western's burn rate charts) case.

 

Ok then how is using current data dangerous?

 

Can anyone find Steve some 700X?

 

No but it turning into a good discussion!