To those claiming there are regulations that prevent Hodgdon from packaging 700X in 8 lbs. containers, could you please provide a citation to them? If there are any such regulations, they don't seem to prevent Hodgdon from packaging their other powders in 8 lbs. containers.

 

I was not able to find Red dot or 700x anymore. I switched to Hodgdon Titegroup (High Gun). High Gun has a competitive price currently.

 

The last 700x I seen was end of October. My guess is more will show up here in a month or so. It seems to come around in waves every 3-4 months.

If you need powder now, then Titewad would be close substitute. CAC has it available.

 

Midway has a 66lb hazmat shipping " license"/policy. (For example .)It doesn't matter if that's 8 8lb or 16 4lb bottles.Or evin 66 1lb bottles. In that order.
I for one would like to see this supposed new regulation.

 

700 - X is in high demand now. a lot of folks have gone to it since Aliant jumped their prices on Red and Green Dot thru the roof ! I have used a lot of Win. Super Target and titewad with good success.

 

The new High Gun and or Titegroup for those of us that was using it prior to the High Gun roll out is available and very economical to purchase. Great one ounce and 9/8 th oz loads.

 

What are the characteristics of your 700X load? Shot weight and speed? What wads do you have on hand? Just about anything you find on the shelf is likely to be considerably denser than the 700X.

 

I am using Titewad right now. Used it years ago and I forgot what a great powder it is.
I have some 700x here but think I will stick with this Titewad for a while. Big plus, it is available now and 700x is not.

 

Thanks guys not low on 700 X yet but planning on that happing this summer.
Steve

 

I have an 8 pound of titewad and a 4 pound of 700x laying around for down the road when i run out of red dot and green dot. But that will be a while. im pretty sure i have around 32 lbs of each, unopened.

 

You correct Hodgdon does not make any powder neither does Alliant. They buy, lab test, bottle and distribute. My info came from Roger at AJ supplies. I was just at his warehouse the day after Christmas. Something pertaining to EX 1.3 and 1.4 classification. He told me 700x will not be available in 8lb containers because of shipping classification. Roger deals with powder orders every day. I trust his information.

 

If you like Red Dot powder. Try some Titewad, or Perfect Pattern powder. If you like Green Dot powder. Try some Tightgroup /AKA High Gun powder. All 3 powders are available and priced right. Pick the powder that keeps all your load(s) pressures between 9,000 psi and 10,500 psi if you want clean burns. Lots of reloading data for all 3 powders with cheddite primers as well. break em all jeff

 

I've found that you need to be checking your powder sources almost daily as it's available then it's gone. I remember talking to a successful businessman about a piece of land I was thinking about buying and was wondering what he thought. All he said was buy it. So, when I find powder and it's priced reasonable, I buy it as I do not believe we will ever see the days when you could stop at the store and pick up the powder, primers or shot you needed at any given time. Besides I'll either load it or it will go good at the estate sale!

 

This appears to be a relevant regulation, but i don't read it as saying some smokeless powders are different from others. It does seem to impose and 8 lb. max per package.

49 CFR § 173.171 - Smokeless powder for small arms.

 

So since this is my Thread any new word on 700X.
Steve

 

I made the switch to super target. About to open my last 8lb. Was thinking on switching to tite wad or high gun both are priced similar near me right now. Although the super target has been great and is just a bit higher

 

The biggest container 700x comes in is 4 pounders now due to new shipping regs!

 

I've heard this a few times regarding 700-X but any idea what is unique about that powder that prevents it from being packaged in 8 pound jugs? It's not as fluffy as Clays so 8 pounds should fit in the same containers Hodgdon uses.

 

Accurate's Nitro 100 NF (now a Hodgdon product) can load everything in 12 Gauge from 3/4 Oz. to 1-1/8 ounce, and data spanning this range is now on Hodgdon's website. A wee bit less dense than 700-X, but close overall.

Edit: Somewhat faster burning than 700-X. A #27 or #28 MEC bushing should get you into the general ballpark for Nitro 100 NF.

 

also note that Titewad and Nitro 100NF is the same powder.

 

It’s the way 700x was classified for shipping. It can be shipped only by big freight carriers not by ups, fed ex, etc. in a 8 lb container. Because of this Hodgdon eliminated the 8 lb container for packaging in 700x.
the supply disturbance is because the manufacturing equipment was disassembled in the Canadian plant and is to be set up in one of the 2 American companies that produce powder. I don’t know the names but one is owned by our government and that is where the equipment went. I understand currently the line is not back in operation yet and it’s unknown when it will be producing powder again.

 

It’s the way 700x was classified for shipping. It can be shipped only by big freight carriers not by ups, fed ex, etc. in a 8 lb container. Because of this Hodgdon eliminated the 8 lb container for packaging in 700x.
the supply disturbance is because the manufacturing equipment was disassembled in the Canadian plant and is to be set up in one of the 2 American companies that produce powder. I don’t know the names but one is owned by our government and that is where the equipment went. I understand currently the line is not back in operation yet and it’s unknown when it will be producing powder again.

I call BS. If 700X is not sold in 8lb. containers it is because of production logistics or management decisions, NOT because of "updated shipping regulations".
Smokeless powder is smokeless powder according to the D.O.T.

 

Nitro 100 was a flake powder that was replaced with flattened ball powder Nitro 100 NF in early 2009.

Western Powders, Inc.'s burn rate chart shows NF (flattened ball) as being faster than pre-NF (flake), and both of them being faster than Titewad.

 

 

Let's keep something in mind. Hodgdon is providing load data for Nitro 100 NF. Hodgdon is providing load data for Titewad. They are not giving a warning about Nitro 100 NF . Being different from Nitro 100 NF.

 

Hodgdon is also not (at least yet) publicly stating that Nitro 100 NF is Titewad.

 

I have enough 700x, Red Dot and Promo that l should never have to buy powder again unless l start reloading almost commercially. I love 700X. Have used it since the 80s. It will do whatever you want done. AA wads and nearly any hull and it will do it back as far and you want. But when l heard of Promo come out, and have not heard anyone talk about it lately, it shot the same as Red Dot. I like it also. Tad dirty, but l can deal with that. Have never shot High Gun yet.

 

My local gun store has had 700x occasionally as of late. It does become available sporadically.

 

Watch Powder Valley and Midsouth, you might get lucky. I bought some Perfect Pattern, good one ounce powder. Not so much for 9/8.

HM

 

I use titegroup for pistol and due to the difficulty finding 700x would like to use it for shotgun as well.
I reload federal/peters paper and can't find the hodgdon load data I need. With the 700x, I load 18.5 grains which yields 1200 fps (I don't rightly remember the pressure). I load paper hulls, one and one eighth ounce of lead shot, chedite 209 primers and figure eight wads. Can someone give some advice on titegroupe powder to maintain the 1200 fps speed. Thanks

 

Figure Eight wads aren't really what you should be using in Federal papers.

It seems like you like 'old school' stuff soo,,, get you some AACF hulls and load your Titegroup and Figure Eights in those...