These "testimonials" are cracking me up !! I do not have a clue if the formula for Hoppes #9 has been updated or not. So I will add - consider what you are trying to clean and why you are using product xxx. With break-open shotguns, the big enemy is plastic fouling. Use something that will soften that stuff and make the job easier. If you are trying to remove copper fouling from a rifle, I can only recommend to use something that will make the job go faster. If your pistol has gotten leaded up, try using a product that will ease your pain. If you enjoy endless brushing, stay with your Hoppes - put your brain on slow simmer by breathing that stuff and think about your childhood.