Just another in the long line of Turkish made shotguns. They're not for me.

I would MUCH rather put more money with what a CZ costs and buy a used Beretta or Browning.

Then you've actually got something that has some quality to it, and will be still shooting after a CZ would be dead and buried.

To all of you out there that have CZ O/Us, I wish you nothing but the best.

Good Luck and Good Shooting

 

While looking for a new gun last month, looking at Berettas and Brownings mostly, the young male clerk asked (off the record) what the difference between what I was looking at and a CZ over and under they also sold, for about $1,700 less (I can't remember the model, but the CZ was less than $700. I inspected the CZ and was looking for cheap engineering and design all over the gun. I am not an armament engineer, nor a gunsmith (though I was an Ordinance Division officer in the Navy as a part of my career).

The action had conical locking lugs, just like the Beretta, the barrels were ported (not my cup of tea, but still an engineering cost), the sights were very acceptable, it felt great to me when shouldered. Were there tool marks within the action? To be sure. But the beauty of the wood, the depth of the blueing, the common sense action design, the decent trigger attested to a decent gun at an even more amazing price point.

I've owned CZ rifles (I understand they are not made in the same place as CZ shotguns) and they were impressively built Mauser actions and very accurate and consistent with wonderful set triggers. I'm not saying the CZ is a Beretta, but to a young man who makes barely above minimum wage, the CZ is absolutely a valid option for an over and under. Not all of us can afford a $2,400 plus shotgun.

I knew the kid wanted the CZ because he couldn't afford the Beretta. After inspecting it, I set it down and said something like: "It is a fine shotgun for an impressive price." I saw a big smile on his face. My dream gun was a Beretta, but that doesn't mean I should destroy his dream. The CZ was the right choice for him and the Beretta was the right choice for me.

 

 

Rifles and handguns, extremely high quality. Shotguns, pass.

 

Buy a used Browning.

 

In contrast, a friend of mine is shooting a Rem Model 12 from the 60s with a fixed full choke and 30" barrel. I borrowed it and immediately ran a 25 in trap, obviously to my astonishment. ?

Remington model 12, that is a hammerless .22 rim fire?

 

Our club is in a University town and we have a lot of student participation and we have had about 40 of the CZ O/U shotguns that we use as rental guns. In the four years of using these shotguns we have had very few problems, perhaps about a half dozen broken firing pins, one side rib solder failure, and one barrel selector failure. We sell the euro shells with the harder primers and I blame them for the firing pin breakage. I get stuck with being the club gun fixer and I have replaced more bottom barrel firing pins in Browning Citori shotguns and soldered more rib failures on Perazzi guns than I have out of a larger number of CZ guns in about the same period of time. I will have to say the side rib failures on the Perazzis were more on my MX-8 that a previous owner had the barrels over bored on than any other. The CZ shotguns hold up very well considering that they are almost the only ones used as rental guns by our club.

 

If you're looking at new CZ prices, you can buy a used Beretta or Browning and have a better gun for about the same price.

 

Lots of opinions here but no negative experiences expressed on the O/U's. Several of my club's youth shoot CZ O/U's and I've heard of no issues. While all of my O/U's are Berettas, I personally would not knock the brand until I knew of actual issues. Guess we have lots of "experts" with no personal experiences or knowledge. Based on my own personal experiences, I would never recommend a Stevens, Mossberg, Tri-Star, Savage, etc. for "casual shooting for the grandkids" as the poster wants and for that purpose one of the B guns is over kill. A new CZ O/U for $600-700 might be all that's needed. Save the money for shells -----

 

Mr. Sennorric:

Please, respectfully, would you state why you stated "I would never recommend a Stevens, Mossberg, Tri-Star, Savage, etc. for "casual shooting for the grandkids". I'm honestly interested on your reasons or opinions. I can
only guess you think they are more lekely to malfucntio and a new shooter wont know it or what to do - is that
it?

 

Sorry if this distracts from the thread, but a phrase popped into my head and I can’t shake it: CZ, peasy, lemon sqeezy. Again, sorry.

 

Shotguns are made in turkey. rifles the Czech republic.

 

Many kids shooting SCTP shoot them and shoot them very well with no problems. They are just fine for the the amount of shooting you are going to do.

 

I have several CZ rimfires, A couple of CZ centerfires, and a 28 ga. Ringneck SxS that I really like. It's scaled to the proper action size and is a great little gun, IMHO. No problems with any of them. I think they are a great gun for the money. YMMV.

 

Sort of depends. The SxS I have seen seem to do alright, The pump gun CZ 625 seems to hol up fairly well However, with that said if you are talking Target Grade Over/Unders or single Barrels I think I would pass and buy a higher quality gun.

 

I started clay shooting on an early Canvasback. That has been passed on to 2 other people starting clays and it’s been flawless and shot probably 5000 rounds easily.

I picked up a Canvasback Deluxe for duck hunting because I can’t bring myself to take out my fancier gun. It’s worked for 5 season and many duck kills under her belt.

I also have a Sharptail for the SxS experience.

All, have worked perfectly and IMHO best bang for the buck gun.


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My first trap gun was a CZ 612. Never missed beat and I still shoot it from time to time. Good gun for the money.

 

I'm way late to the party here, but just wanted to toss in a good word for CZ. I have done a lot of pheasant, duck and goose hunting in my life and my 1999 SBE2 still serves me well in the field. Then I joined a trap club (and now skeet too) and decided to jump into my first O/U. My budget was $1000 and my research quickly led me to either a used Browning or a new CZ. I found a new 12ga CZ Wingshooter Elite all-in for $900 and pulled the trigger. The wood is beautiful and I used some clear-coat polish to remove the "mud" appearance and now I think it looks better than the B's at my club. The engraving is really well done as well. I would guess that I've put 5000 rounds through it so far - a mix of everything from 3" steel to 3" heavy upland to 2.75" #9 skeet - and I've not had a single issue with it. I took a lot of crap at the club for a CZ but now the "regulars" know that it shoots and has held up well. I still occasionally take some grief but instead of having to defend it myself, others usually jump to my defense now before I can ;-)

When my wife decided to try trap and do some bird hunting with me, I found a new 12ga CZ 712 G2 with a bronze barrel and receiver, and very nice light-colored wood. It was about $450 on sale out the door at Cabela's and I've since cut the stock down for her. It looks great and she loves it, and we've not had any issues with it either, although maybe only 1000 rounds through it so far.

Some day I'll pick up a more expensive (I stopped calling them "nicer") Silver Pigeon or White Lightening, but in the meantime, I'm a fan of CZ's shotguns. Plus, if you do happen to get a rare lemon, their 5-year warranty makes it right with either a new gun or a refund. Tough to beat that, even with one of the household names.

$0.02

 

1. Long running CZ Canvasback durability test over on Shotgunworld is at 33,711 rounds.
2. CZ service in the US has a good reputation.
3. I'm thinking that these Huglu made guns offer fair value for dollar. This comment from a 50 year Browning owner. Absolutely cannot knock a lightly used Browning Citori as value for dollar either.

 

Opinions and experience with CZ guns.....I'm looking
for a 12 or 20ga gun for casual shooting for my grandkids to use when I take them shooting and for myself on occasion. Thanks

Think I might have an answer for you. I bought a CZ 712 ALS 12 gauge semi auto which has been
bulletproof once I removed the stock and put red loctite on the main stock screw before retightening. That educated me on the gun's heavy durability, basically waterproof synthetic, black and fully-adjustable ATI Akita stock. The stock collapses in on itself so you can change the length of pull from 12-14" with the push of a button. (It grabs one four notches). It also has three comb height positions with a screw based adjustment(you pull off the screew covers oneithe side of the stock, loosen then, slide the atached also synthtic comb to he hight nothc you want, retighten the screws and covers, and off you ago. As their verbiage says "This makes the ALS perfect for women and kids, as well as making it ideal for waterfowl and turkey hunting. Both the 26-inch and 28-inch barrel configurations accept 2¾ and 3-inch shells. "

I have had no mechanism failures on this nor a shorter 712 "Utility" meaning 20" barrel one I had. It actually shot actually very well so long as I used Rem Clay and Field shells which I saw a demo of on UTube and confirmed their patterning with several different shells myself. Like ti or not, I was shooting as well as the Bs and Ks(example si a 24 in wobbles) with this short gun.
As far as I saw, your pattern uniformity and spread is from your choke and shell, not the length of the barrel, but that besides the point. The 712 is a steal as it is adjustable for both big and little
people and hardy, being composite.

It is out of production but CZ told me they have plenty in their warehouse. You can get it here at
Bud's for $516 witha 28" barrel:CZ-USA CZ712 ALS G2 12 GA 28 and see it here at CZ USA at
CZ 712 ALS G2 - Discontinued 2018 - CZ-USA.

PS I'm retired from computers and not oin any kind of comission \ whatever. All the best.

If you want the trap version you may want the 712 Target but its got a 30" barrel and may be heavier.

 

I have a CZ Redhead 28 ga. over/under that I purchased 14 yrs. ago.
Use it every year for dove hunting and a 12 week long skeet league.
Over 6000 rds. thru it, never had a problem with it, still locks up tight,
Great wood to metal fit, blueing still looks new.

 

I bought a youth model 20 autoloader for my grandkids to shoot. It operates perfectly but the trigger is horrible...….fortunately I know someone that can fix it.

 

Durability costs money!!! CZ will be cheaper but in the long run you will pay repairs as they get sloppy action. Go with a used Browning CX or Cross over target.

 

If I had a dollar to bet, I bet more targets have been broken by a model 12 than any other gun made period. There is a reason you ran 25 with no experience with the gun. Just like a pre64 model 70 some people will debate if a Remington 700 or one of the new wonder black rifles are better in certain aspects but nothing feels as good out of the box than a old hand fitted Winchester

 

Henrydog:

Thank you for your insight.

I remain totally mystified. Despite reading what's supposed to be the best books on gun fitting like Jeff Meloy's Understanding Gun Stocks(I am not a friend nor on commission, there's others on Amazon) and extensive observation
I cant honestly define why a gun works for me or anybody else. I cant tell you why that plain(not inscribed) 32" K80 O/U
did not work for me but it didnt. And I knew the $5k offer for that shotgun I turned down was a very good offer, especially as it had just been annually cleaned by Kriegoff. For me, right now the Model 12 and the CZ 612 Pump Target both work
very well for me: I run 24s and 25s with them. With the CZ 612 target I ran the 2nd 25 in wobbles ever at a smaller range
I go to occasionally. The club wrote it permanently on their clubhouse chart, which amazed me. But I shot 21s and 22s when I tried the the Kriegoff on 16 yard singles. So I am an idiot savant, I dont have a clue.

BUT the Model 12 has a 30" barrel, feels completely different when I shoulder it, yet feels like it fits like an old glove.
Meanwhile the CZ 612 has a 32" ported barrel, costs $510 on the web, and feels less natural shouldering it but more intuitive sight picture wise when pulling the trigger. My question about both guns is why? or maybe why for me?

All I can add is that the CZ 612 opened up Trap for me and I probably would have quit otherwise after trying trap
with my CZ 712 and my Beretta A300, both 28" barrel field guns. I even had mid barrel beads put on them and still
couldnt shoot trap decently(18-22s) with them. I sold the Beretta to a friend who can shoot it a lot better than myself and kept the CZ. Meanwhile I am very good on sporting clays with the CZ 712 28". I have no idea why, and so I dont go around saying what others say, that I'm a good shot or 'good shooting". I really enjoy shooting well but if I get a compliment I
simply nod - because I know I dont know.

Any insight would be appreciated. It seems to not be quantifiable or defineable.

Thanks to you and all,

The Newbie.

 

MG the guy made a mistake and recanted with it being a winchester we dont need tron to get his lawyers involved yet

 

As well as we don't need a lot of B.S. about the finest quality shot guns built, while making comparison to third word country garbage at cheap prices.
It's B.S. and those that believe in the concept, well let's just say they're lacking on mental capacity.
MG

 

I’m shooting a CZ Sharptail side by side and a CZ 628 pump 28 gauge.
Both have been great guns.