I know what I would do! Invest the 3000 dollars in a P or K, just saying. Good Luck

 

I found one exactly as you described on Gunbroker. Listed for $2899.99 but got no bids, auction ended in November & item was relisted. Nice looking gun. It was the CZ all-American Churchill combo so it for sure was produced at one time. Not sure if this helps much but there you go! Colonel

It was item # 595519491

 

Spend your money on a Browning or Beretta combo, price will be about the same and you'll be WAY ahead of the game.

 

I agree with Skeetman. The CZ is probably made in Turkey.

 

its a lot to pay for a CZ. Spend it on a browning xt

 

Go with the Browning.

 

Spend your money on a known quantity. There are a lot of nice Beretta's, Browning's, Perazzi's, etc. for that money and you know what your getting. There is a beautiful Beretta combo in the classifieds right now for $3,000.

 

CZ-USA makes some quality guns for the price. Go to a big Benchrest competition sometime. CZ's are all over the place competing with Anschutz in the sporter/factory models. Extremely accurate and well made. If their shotguns are anything close to their rifles in quality their going to sell a lot of them at that price point.

 

They are NOT! What they are is GARBAGE!
MG

 

Their rifles are pretty good but their shotguns are Turkish junk.

 

I have two of their rifles..........a 527 in 221 fireball & a 452 .22 rimfire..................both absolute tack drivers! I have never owned one of their shotguns but the ones that I have shouldered don't impress.

 

CZ shotguns are made in Turkey by an outside mfg (think Huglu, Tristar, Mossberg Silver Reserve). Not even in the same universe as CZ rifles, which are made in the Czech republic.

 

I remember when Ruger tried to get into the Trap Gun business. They didn't fly either. Rifles and pistols, yes, Trap guns, NO.

 

Run in the opposite direction!
MG

 

how many "All Americans" are shooting CZ shotguns? The answer to that question will tell you allot about the question you asked about purchasing the combo.

 

Keep in mind some gunsmiths won't even look at the lesser quality guns. I have a Franchi o/u that I wanted the trigger pull lightened on and my local gunsmith wouldn't look at it, he said it was a crude design and the inner workings were made out of soft cheap metal. The trigger pull is 4.5 lb. on the bottom barrel and 4 lb. on the top.

 

how many "All Americans" are shooting CZ shotguns? The answer to that question will tell you allot about the question you asked about purchasing the combo.

Do a search for the answer and you know what will happen? It will be a waste of time. You're not going to find any All Americans competing with CZ shotguns.

 

Churchill is/was a high dollar English Best gun. Last I heard Kastner out of Harrisburg, PA had bought rights to the name, and others, and were importing Churchill shotguns that would make you cringe. Ok for the field but a single trap competition is gonna destroy the thing.

 

Boarded Bandit got it right. I have a Churchill Windsor III, 20 ga field gun, over under 28”chrome lined barrels, fixed chokes full on top, modified on the bottom 3” chambered. It was imported by Kassnar from Italy. It was made by Sabatti, part of the F.A.I.R. Firearms group. My dad bought it for me as a Christmas/birthday gift, in 1985. I wanted a small, light weight O/U, to hunt grouse and small game with. Great field gun. Trap, I don’t know. I guess Sabatti Shotguns have a huge following in Europe. But this Churchill the OP is talking about is made in Turkey. Not Italy. It’s NOT a Sabatti.

 

They are NOT! What they are is GARBAGE!
MG

I see some outstanding scores in Benchrest competition by guys shooting CZ 452's and 455's. Think what you want but, they are very accurate and look pretty good for a inexpensive target rifle. Not everyone can afford a Anschutz or in the case of shotguns K-80's. Don't be so condescending in you're application of the word "GARBAGE."

 

Total Garbage is a better way of defining it! Why don't you go ahead and purchase one?
After a week of shooting it, let me know what you think. I was being nice when I said GARBAGE!
MG

 

He's talking about the CZ shotguns.

 

Most of the comments on threads relating to the CZ seem to be from people who haven’t actually bought one. So I bought one of the CZ All American Trap Combo, and love it so far. It comes from the manufacturer pretty tight in pretty much every aspect (Allen bolts for fit up, open ending and closing action, forend during disassembly). After about 150-200 rounds these loosen up but until then you get a work out. I came from a Stevens 555 , and the CZ has been a significant upgrade in all aspects. As for shootability if your coming from a 6 lbs short field gun (28”) like me, it takes a box or two to readjust pointing speed and leads.

I chose the CZ after looking at the Browning Citori XT & Beretta 686 Onyx , the CZ felt better to me than both plus it came with the same or better warranty as the Beretta. The wood on the CZ was also significantly better than either the Browning’s or Beretta’s I looked at. Pictures of my gun are attached. I’ll update with a longer term review when I put a few thousand rounds throug it.

The case for this is built like a tank and feels like one while carrying it.

The unsingle rib adjustment is stout, I don’t foresee any issue with it loosening over time.

On the other side of the barrel it has CZ - Kansas USA

This gun comes with (11) chokes: 2 C , 2 IC , 2 M, 2 F, 1 IM , 1 XF , 1 LM. Chokes are in two cases. I’ve moved (6) of them in to a (6) choke case and keep the two cylinder chokes at home.

The forend at the beginning is a bear to get off , but gets easer with some use.

Last I bought it from the really helpful people in Lebanon , OH Country Attic Treasures

 

Most of the comments on threads relating to the CZ seem to be from people who haven’t actually bought one. So I bought one of the CZ All American Trap Combo, and love it so far. It comes from the manufacturer pretty tight in pretty much every aspect (Allen bolts for fit up, open ending and closing action, forend during disassembly). After about 150-200 rounds these loosen up but until then you get a work out. I came from a Stevens 555 , and the CZ has been a significant upgrade in all aspects. As for shootability if your coming from a 6 lbs short field gun (28”) like me, it takes a box or two to readjust pointing speed and leads.

I chose the CZ after looking at the Browning Citori XT & Beretta 686 Onyx , the CZ felt better to me than both plus it came with the same or better warranty as the Beretta. The wood on the CZ was also significantly better than either the Browning’s or Beretta’s I looked at. Pictures of my gun are attached. I’ll update with a longer term review when I put a few thousand rounds throug it.

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The case for this is built like a tank and feels like one while carrying it.
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The unsingle rib adjustment is stout, I don’t foresee any issue with it loosening over time.
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On the other side of the barrel it has CZ - Kansas USA

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This gun comes with (11) chokes: 2 C , 2 IC , 2 M, 2 F, 1 IM , 1 XF , 1 LM. Chokes are in two cases. I’ve moved (6) of them in to a (6) choke case and keep the two cylinder chokes at home.

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The forend at the beginning is a bear to get off , but gets easer with some use.

Last I bought it from the really helpful people in Lebanon , OH Country Attic Treasures
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Bought the same gun and have been very pleased with its performance so far. About 2600 rounds through it and no problems. It is a little stiff until the 1500 mark. I could afford to spend 20k on a gun but who would want to. The money you save can go towards practice which is more important.

 

Get back to us when you have 100k rounds on the gun.

 

So in about a decade then...I’ll try to do something a little sooner.

 

(sarcasm font) Gee, I can't imagine why outsiders would think trapshooters are a bunch of snobs...

Josh

 

i'M LEARNING!! This thread was started in January, 2017!! I was still 77 then...now I'm several months into age 78!! Forgettaboutit! Ed

 

The CZ is a couple of notches above the Tri-Star.

 

If I can offer my two cents, I bought the Trap Combo brand new and CZ was nice enough to finally give me my money back after the 4th time in for repairs and light strikes. Good brand for other firearms and great customer service but unfortunate experience with the shotgun.

 

Sorry to hear about the return.

What was this issue?

And sounds like there is good news on the customer service front at least.

 

I played with the CZ Combo at Show Show. The gun was fairly balanced. Although, I would recommend buying a Beretta or Browning in that price range or save a little more and look for a used K80, Perazzi, or etc. If you buy the CZ and dislike it or plan to upgrade in the future you'll get pennies on the dollar compared to other guns. CZ does make wonderful guns! They're extremely well known for their handguns and rifles like the CZ75 and 455, just not their shotguns.

 

Buy the gun that fits you best. Adjustable comb can be added on. Gun durability comes with price. If you don't shoot much any gun will work. Remember, higher price tag doesn't mean higher scores. Look at Browning Citori CX or CXT & has been successful at our club. You need $$$ to practice.