I've been looking at buying an adjustable butt plate for a while now. After reading lots of posts on TS.com (thanks all!) I decided to try out Stock Positioning Systems (SPS). They have a number of product variations but I decided to start with their thru-pad adjustable plates. The one I picked was fairly "raw" in that the plates are rectangular with the expectation that you'll need to remove the excess material. I have access to a belt sander so I figured that wouldn't be a big deal.
Single Point Thru The Pad Adjustable Square Cut 2x6 Butt Plate Assembly
When the product arrived, I started running into problems. I've talked with their owner on the phone twice now, but I'm still not sure I should proceed. I wanted to get everybody's opinion before I either install it or send it back. Here are the issues I'm seeing:
1) The holes in the two plates don't line up. If you lay the two plates directly on top of each other, the holes to attach to the stock are about 1/4" off from the holes that attach to the recoil pad. This doesn't make any sense to me. The owner said that the pad-side was drilled to fit the majority of pads; and it does align with my Limbsaver pad. He said the other side doesn't matter because you'll need to plug and re-drill holes in the stock anyways. Seems to me that if you've figured out the hole pattern for most pads, it would be logical to have the same hole pattern on the other side.
2) The product photos online are not accurate. When you look at the photos on their website, they show that the bottom hole for attaching to the stock is slotted so that it could accommodate different hole patterns in the stock and avoid needing to plug and re-drill the stock. Instead, the plates I received are just straight holes (see point 1). When I asked the owner, he went to the warehouse and said that all of the plates are drilled that way, almost like he was surprised. When I asked about the website, he said those photos are wrong and need to be updated. They are still there about a month later.
3) The plates don't mate properly. When you have the plates together you can rock them side to side a little bit, but a noticeable amount. The pad-side plate has steel threads installed in the holes and I'm pretty sure they are not flush with the plate, causing the rocking. I'm worried that this could cause the plates to come loss after shooting and if you can feel or hear the rocking when you mount the gun, that's going to be an issue too.
4) The pad screws are too short. I tried to mount the pad-side plate to my Limbsaver pad and the included allen screws are not long enough to go through the pad base and into the threads on the plate. The owner said that some "off-brand" pads have thicker plastic bases; he did offer to send me some longer screws but said they'll be too long and need to be ground down to the appropriate length.
5) Won't be able to offset the pad. There is a slot for moving the pad up/down that should work fine after it's all installed, as with the ability to rotate the pad around the screw's axis. There is also a left/right slot cut into the pad-side plate but once the pad is screwed on, I don't think this feature will be usable at all. In order to have the adjustment screw line up with the hole in the pad, it must be set in the exact middle of the left/right slot at all times.
What do y'all think?
Single Point Thru The Pad Adjustable Square Cut 2x6 Butt Plate Assembly
When the product arrived, I started running into problems. I've talked with their owner on the phone twice now, but I'm still not sure I should proceed. I wanted to get everybody's opinion before I either install it or send it back. Here are the issues I'm seeing:
1) The holes in the two plates don't line up. If you lay the two plates directly on top of each other, the holes to attach to the stock are about 1/4" off from the holes that attach to the recoil pad. This doesn't make any sense to me. The owner said that the pad-side was drilled to fit the majority of pads; and it does align with my Limbsaver pad. He said the other side doesn't matter because you'll need to plug and re-drill holes in the stock anyways. Seems to me that if you've figured out the hole pattern for most pads, it would be logical to have the same hole pattern on the other side.
2) The product photos online are not accurate. When you look at the photos on their website, they show that the bottom hole for attaching to the stock is slotted so that it could accommodate different hole patterns in the stock and avoid needing to plug and re-drill the stock. Instead, the plates I received are just straight holes (see point 1). When I asked the owner, he went to the warehouse and said that all of the plates are drilled that way, almost like he was surprised. When I asked about the website, he said those photos are wrong and need to be updated. They are still there about a month later.
3) The plates don't mate properly. When you have the plates together you can rock them side to side a little bit, but a noticeable amount. The pad-side plate has steel threads installed in the holes and I'm pretty sure they are not flush with the plate, causing the rocking. I'm worried that this could cause the plates to come loss after shooting and if you can feel or hear the rocking when you mount the gun, that's going to be an issue too.
4) The pad screws are too short. I tried to mount the pad-side plate to my Limbsaver pad and the included allen screws are not long enough to go through the pad base and into the threads on the plate. The owner said that some "off-brand" pads have thicker plastic bases; he did offer to send me some longer screws but said they'll be too long and need to be ground down to the appropriate length.
5) Won't be able to offset the pad. There is a slot for moving the pad up/down that should work fine after it's all installed, as with the ability to rotate the pad around the screw's axis. There is also a left/right slot cut into the pad-side plate but once the pad is screwed on, I don't think this feature will be usable at all. In order to have the adjustment screw line up with the hole in the pad, it must be set in the exact middle of the left/right slot at all times.
What do y'all think?
