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Model 12’s are hard to re-blue it’s the nickel in the steel. In my experience you either get black or purple.
Ya, talked to a couple of places and they indicated the same thing...50/50 shot of what it will turn out to be. I am probably not going to do anything with it...there is nothing wrong with it, just a "cosmetic" thing. Better to just keep shooting it the way it is.

Gene
 
FWIW: Some time ago I bought a M12 heavy duck gun from a pawn shop at a very low price. It was a 32" solid rib with upgraded factory wood. Previous owner had used electric engraving pencil on the LH side of the receiver. That's why it was cheap. It had that reddish color and we referred to it as a factory merlot finish. Back then Phil Filer was running Glenrock Blueing. I am told he has since retired. Phil not only removed the home etching job but reblued the metal to a lovely blue finish. He told me then that the reddish color came from being removed from a tank too soon. Of course he also told me that he used a belt sander with 40 grit paper to remove the etching! Phil does have a sense of humor.
 
Mr Bat, Model 12,s are not any harder to blue that other guns. Bluing salts, metallurgy and control of temperature all factor into getting a good BLUE job. I have several M12's (safe queens) with original factory finish. They are BLUE some very close to the Old Smith & Wesson and Colt blue. Recent guns seem to be black.
 
Winchester made 2 million of them. They are not collector's items unless in excellent original condition or was presented to Dwight David Eisenhower and there is provenence. Otherwise being reblued already it is only a shooter. So shoot it.
 
I know Simmons gets a bad rap now days but they can re-blue a model 12
Winchester made 2 million of them. They are not collector's items unless in excellent original condition or was presented to Dwight David Eisenhower and there is provenence. Otherwise being reblued already it is only a shooter. So shoot it.
Agree, so if it a shooter who cares if it is a little purple or black. If you keep hunting, handling it, you can expect it is going to wear off again. Turnbull might disagree with your criteria for a collector though.
 
If all your model 12’s are safe queens with the original finish then it’s safe to assume you’ve never re-blued one. Anyone on this site will tell you it is a SOB to blue one and have it look right.
I have done re-blueing, When I was 18 and a love for m12's. I attended a junior college in SE Kansas. I worked there to earn $$$$. The owner did not re-blue or refinish wood. He sublet these tasks to others. The man he had do the re-blueing did an excellent job. He re-blued many many both nickel steel and Proof steel (chrome-moly) and I do not remember any purple guns. After jr college I went to a University where there was a gun shop that was an authorized Winchester Service Center. I worked there again for $$$ to stay in school. They did not do the bluing, again it was sublet to a man who specialized in bluing, again no memory of purple guns. Today, as a retired friend of a man who does re-blueing. I do this Pro Bono, I do not do polishing but do work the tanks and reassemble. Since the original posting there are many who has said certain things need to be done to not have purple guns. I do not remember any of them saying they are an SOB to re-blue.
 
I have been hesitant to recommend this, but as you have metal problems with blue finishes as an alternative you could have it Gunkoted Gun Metal Blue. Before you fly off the handle, please hear me out, I have used this for over twenty five years with great results when I did my part. It is my go to finish when someone wants a durable weatherproof finish I can apply myself and repair if needed as In Hawaii getting bluing stuff is a bitch and damn near impossible to get shipped here, along with the hassle of tanks burners and chemicals it is just too much trouble, as I do this work as a favor to my fellow Big Island shooters here as there is no gunsmith. so I do some work if and when I can, and don't charge anyone, anything, so for the locals here it is what I use. I know many view this product as old hat, eclipsed by stuff like cerakote, but with Gunkote, you get a beautiful smooth shiny blue black finish that is chemical and rust resistant. You won't get that wet glass smooth blue black with the ceramic stuff. Put side by side, my 1976 Colt series 70 government gunkoted with gun metal blue, looks just as good as my mint hardly shot 1976 factory Colt series 70 Gold Cup in Colt Royal Blue and that is saying a lot as I purchased both brand new in 76'! Many a person could not tell the difference between the two, but admittedly the finish I did was one of best efforts. I did not mention this earlier as many purist insist on real bluing I understand their preference and why turn their noses at stuff like this as glorified house paint, So be it everyone has a right to their opinion and many people had less than optimum results because of equipment, oil on gun surface, dust, or operator error, but the stuff is durable, not indestructible, it can be scratched by metal. But you can get acceptable results with not much effort, just watch the oil contamination as it is one of the main issues, I once did a 42' Japanese nambu and after 6 times of degreasing and baking to remove all traces of oil, I still had problems until I baked it another 7 times with acetone degreasing ever time. For results like I get, you need the proper spray equipment I use an iwata air brush, A nice compressor setup with proper filters and bone dry air, coming out, you need a spray booth of some kind so you have no dust contamination, and a appropriate oven for curing (made my own) lots of patience and some painting skills (the more the better) but the blue black is beautiful in the end result and virtually chemical and rustproof as it can get and a joy to behold. I'm sure you can find someone that will do a nice job if you don't do it yourself. Just remember, once you bake it to cure, the stuff wears like iron and the only way you are going to get it off is to blast it off if you don't like it.
Best wishes
Aloha One
 
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