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#21 ·
Pull & Mark said:
That's the exact reason why Remington sold the rights to the Model 32. The cost of manufacture was just to high for the model 32. They could not make enough money on the gun in the price range they wanted to sell in. So they redesigned a shotgun that was easier and cheaper to produce in the price range for the marketplace they wanted to be competitive in. When the market changed Remington and Winchester did not retool to stay in the marketplace. Browning did. You have to match the competition at any given time. Browning had to retool to be competitive with Turkish made shotguns. They simply just went back to the basic's game. Or shall we say they used the Kiss system/Keep It Simple Stupid. break em all Jeff
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I think you hit the nail on the head about Remington selling the rights to the Model 32. Not many people could afford the 32 in depression times , The cost of production was hurting Remington so they decided to get out of the O/U market and selling the rights to the 32 cheap was better than taking a loss on producing the gun. Remington made some good marketing moves in post WWII times , ( although it was bad for tradition). The 870 was called the "punch press gun " when it replaced the model 31. Winchester kept the Model 12 in production even though production of "milled parts"were killing them on production cost. The 870 was a cash cow for Remington. It squeezed out the Model 12 because of cost.
 
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off the top of my head....
you had the:
field
skeet/trap
competition

"premier"
1 of 1000
1 0f 500
1 of 500(100) gold inlays
1 of 8
of the 8, they were commissioned by the Remington BOD's, each was unique, and signed by the 8 European engravers.
so in a sense, they were 1 of 1's.

I got so tired of people asking me what grade my gold 1 of 100 KRIEGHOFF was at the world shoots, that I put a (no krieghoff) decal on my gun. people use to be amazed at its detail and acted shocked when they learned it was a 3200. I enjoyed it. it shot high 70-30.

I sold my 1 of 100 gold and 1 of 8 in the deal, that bought me a shooting range back in 2010.
fyi, ive never seen any premier low number guns in skeet. all were 30" trap guns.
not the best, but here were my 1 of 100 and 1 of 8. note check pattern differences. mr. josafot did my 1 of 8.(factory lettered)


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#25 ·
I don’t think the 3200 made it because only clay shooters bought them. They were too damn heavy to hunt with . They had great triggers but cracked fore ends. I owned one a long time ago but sold it to someone who just had to have the damn thing.
I love model 12’s but the problem there is with the cost of manufacture who’s going to pay 2500 bucks for a pump gun?
 
#28 ·
Back in the early 90's I stopped in the Browning building at the Grand. I asked them if they had any plans to bring out a model 12 trap. After all they were making a few in 20ga and also 28ga and even a model 42 for the 410 guys so why not a model 12 trap. The rep could not give me a answer. It's still a mystery as to why they didn't make one. I own 3 of the browning model 12's and wouldn't of hesitated to buy a model 12 trap had they made one.
 
#29 ·
flabigpapa said:
West, Has it Right.....Limited Run of 500.....Were Sold at PX at US Bases Overseas. Same As the One of Thousand...But with The Word Premier in Place of One Of Thousand in Scroll.
One of the Hundred that were Engraved in Belgium are Very Rare and Hard to Find...Have Only Ever Seen One...in My Hands.
The Other Limited Run ...are the Pigeon Grade Gun..and Marked with Gold Tinted Pigeon on Center of Bottom. Only 250 Produced .
What Ever Model You are able to Find....You will Shoot and Enjoy..JMO...Remingtons Best .
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Guy I knew brought one back from Germany...bought in the PX at Lahr. Couldn't shoot doubles with it. Wasn't the gun's fault. lol
 
#30 ·
Rebel Sympathy said:
I'm sorry to have to divulge this to you, but your remark (above) is completely wrong. You might benefit from reading some gunmaker history, to wit:
Remington, essentially, gave away the rights to the Model 32. They had no interest in reviving it after WW-II. It was a huge mistake on their part - one they still regret to this day. That said, Hal du Pont worked his tail off promoting his Krieghoff Model 32. The Krieghoff Model 32 was a slow seller at first (and was always a slow seller for Remington), but he believed in the product and never gave up. Then, it caught on, thanks to his marketing and promotions at big skeet and trap shoots across the country. And the rest is history. Krieghoff is #1 today, in no small part, because of the pioneer marketing and promotional efforts of Hal du Pont. He is a cornerstone in the story of Krieghoff International. I cannot speak for the man, but I'd guess he never lost any sleep over the introduction of the Remington 3200. As for the 3200 itself...….. it was obviously a feeble attempt on the part of Remington to mitigate the negative affects of the massive error they made by letting go of the 32 production rights to Europa Corporation/Hal du Pont.
But, this is nothing new; the history of man is full of massive errors...……...
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I believe that it was a few years after Krieghoff started producing the Model 32 that Hal DuPont took over the importing and sales of the company. I don't know the how or why details but a person named Bascum Lotspeich got the rights to the Model 32 Remington and he took this to the Krieghoff company and they built the gun and he imported them. I believe that the first 32's came to America in 1959. In 1961 I was runner up in the Grand American Handicap and I used some of my winnings to have my father purchase a Model 32 from Bascum. At that time the suggested retail price was $400.00 and the serial number of my gun was less than 1500. Give or take a year or two I believe it was around 1970 when Hal obtained the company.

Dave Berlet
 
#31 ·
Dave Berlet said:
I believe that it was a few years after Krieghoff started producing the Model 32 that Hal DuPont took over the importing and sales of the company. I don't know the how or why details but a person named Bascum Lotspeich got the rights to the Model 32 Remington and he took this to the Krieghoff company and they built the gun and he imported them. I believe that the first 32's came to America in 1959. In 1961 I was runner up in the Grand American Handicap and I used some of my winnings to have my father purchase a Model 32 from Bascum. At that time the suggested retail price was $400.00 and the serial number of my gun was less than 1500. Give or take a year or two I believe it was around 1970 when Hal obtained the company.

Dave Berlet
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I enjoy reading posts like these that detail the history of some of these manufacturers. Thanks for contributing.
 
#32 · (Edited)
Dave Berlet said:
I believe that it was a few years after Krieghoff started producing the Model 32 that Hal DuPont took over the importing and sales of the company. I don't know the how or why details but a person named Bascum Lotspeich got the rights to the Model 32 Remington and he took this to the Krieghoff company and they built the gun and he imported them. I believe that the first 32's came to America in 1959. In 1961 I was runner up in the Grand American Handicap and I used some of my winnings to have my father purchase a Model 32 from Bascum. At that time the suggested retail price was $400.00 and the serial number of my gun was less than 1500. Give or take a year or two I believe it was around 1970 when Hal obtained the company.

Dave Berlet
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Thanks, Dave. Bascom Lotspeich wasn't alone. Europa Corporation was founded +/- 1956. I believe Hal was one of four or five founders of Europa Corporation (but, he may not have been one of the original founders - not sure), which got the production rights from Remington and found a willing maker in Krieghoff. Sales languished 1957-1960, and the Krieghoff Model 32 hardly got off the ground. Hal, finished his post graduate business schooling, bought the others out (became the sole owner of Europa Corp.) and went to work on promoting the gun...……. I believe this was around 1960-62. Through the efforts of duPont, sales began to climb. Bascom was one of the four (or five) founders of Europa Corporation, as was L.M. Donaldson and Viktor Brandl.
Thanks for bringing up Bascom Lotspeich. (I should have done it, but was trying to keep this thread from becoming a novel.)
There is a guy who posts on here occasionally, and goes by the poster-name "Magic". He knows way more about Krieghoff history than I will ever know. He is my "go to" source when I encounter a Krieghoff O/U M32, M62, K80, K20 question for which I have no answer.
Incidentally, Europa Corporation still thrives today under the management finesse of Kemble duPont, daughter of Hal duPont. It does business as: duPont Krieghoff: dupontkguns.com. They are the #1 Krieghoff dealer in the USA (maybe world?). It's a great story of a healthy company which remains excited and on the leading edge of what they love to do.
 
#34 ·
targetsmoker said:
When the Citori and 3200 were both in production it wasn't even close as to which one was the most popular. The 3200 was definitely more popular.
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There was a good reason for this. Remington had reps to promote their guns, targets, and shells. They also worked with dealers to get their products stocked, and had good package deals and dating. Browning required dealers to stock clothes and accessories to be able to get the desirable guns. Result was lots of 3200's available, not so many Brownings.
 
#35 ·
premiers were limited production, but I failed to mention in my earlier post that the 3200 could be had in 'F grade' stateside, on request.
I missed this one on gunsamerica about 10 years ago. day late....dollar short.
personally, I think it was nicer that some of the premiers.

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