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Why choke for smoke? Seems like a odd question for some that on another thread is looking for a .040 choke 0r tighter.
My Mono Gun came with a .045 screw-in choke. When checking POI at 13 yards the paper looked like I shot it with a slug! I really can't hit anything with it, but I smoke em just fine with my .020 choke. When I do my part.
 
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My Mono Gun came with a .045 screw-in choke. When checking POI at 13 yards the paper looked like I shot it with a slug! I really can't hit anything with it, but I smoke em just fine with my .020 choke. When I do my part.
That's what my pattern sheet looked like,...... and my choke is fixed Lol
 
…to guarantee at least one pellet hits the clay.

So let me explain. I’ve been reading “Sporting Shotgun Performance” by Dr AC Jones. In one of the chapters he addresses the question of how dense does the pattern need to be to guarantee that at least one pellet strikes the clay. What is presented he is my understanding of his work.

We recognize that patterns are not uniform - 100 pellets in 100 square inches does not give 1 pellet in each square inch. It’s random and close enough to a Gaussian distribution that standard probability calculations can be applied.

Dr Jones defines pellet density as the number of pellets per target area. For trap, it’s 5.25 square inches based on the size of clay and the angle (vertical) at which it is thrown. So a pellet density of 1 would be 1 pellet per every 5.25 square inches.

To guarantee (99% +) that one or more pellets strike the clay, the pellet density needs to be 5 or more. That density level also will result in smoked targets. For example, for pellet densities of 5 and 6, the probability of have 5 or more pellets strike the clay are 56% and 71%, respectively. I don’t know how many pellets are needed to smoke a target, but I suspect 5 or more will do it.

At the other end of the scale, a pellet density of 1 would only result in a strike 63% of the time. So, no you can’t chip your way to a 25. Kind of like flipping a coin 25 times and getting heads 25 times in a row.
Before I read other replies I'll comment that it isn't ONLY about density within an AREA, it is ALSO about density within the VOLUME of the shot "cloud".
Sure, you can look at a pattern board and get an idea of the spread, but that tells you very little about the lead/lag of the pellets in the shot column.
To some extent a long thin shot column can allow for imperfect lead, but you will need good aim - or a wide short shot column can allow for imperfect aim, but your lead needs to be good/fair and there is a chance that the bird will escape through the "hole" in your pattern.

Which is why a skeet choke at the 27 yard line is NOT a good idea <grin>
 
Since the bird is moving and the shot pattern is in the form of a stream of shot. Can you really make the argument for patterning. Seems that people are applying a 2 dimensional solution to a 3 dimensional problem.
Patterning, if done properly, tells you a lot. Done improperly, it tells you less than nothing.
 
Before I read other replies I'll comment that it isn't ONLY about density within an AREA, it is ALSO about density within the VOLUME of the shot "cloud".
Sure, you can look at a pattern board and get an idea of the spread, but that tells you very little about the lead/lag of the pellets in the shot column.
To some extent a long thin shot column can allow for imperfect lead, but you will need good aim - or a wide short shot column can allow for imperfect aim, but your lead needs to be good/fair and there is a chance that the bird will escape through the "hole" in your pattern.

Which is why a skeet choke at the 27 yard line is NOT a good idea <grin>
Mostly hokum, but if you really wanted a longer shot string, whatcha gonna do to get it?
 
To some extent a long thin shot column can allow for imperfect lead
Not really, because there are a finite number of pellets. And the probability of a lagging pellet being there to hit the target that flies in to the "side" of the pattern is extremely low.
 
I think most interpret the phrase incorrectly. Smoking a target is an indication of precision shooting at 16yds, which is necessary if one expects success shooting handicap targets. If you're chipping 'em at 16, you're not gonna hit handicap targets.
 
I will take 100 chips over 99 smokes any day.
If you're only pointing the gun well enough to get "chips" you are hitting targets on the fringes of the pattern, and not in the middle of the pattern.

The likelihood of breaking 100 targets with pointing skills like that are slim.

Which is why that old saying is so meaningless.
 
Technoid writes -

Since we know that ALL patterns are denser in the middle than at the edge (this is immutable bell-curve stuff), if an 85% chance of a two pellet strike is what you have at the acceptable edge of your pattern, it HAS to be more than that in the center. Has to be. Got to be.


OK, if the outer fringe of your acceptable working pattern has enough pellets to just about ensure a two pellet hit on the target, how many will the hotter center of the pattern have? Warren says it would have about a nine pellet hit on the bird. Nine pellets! That’s definitely enough to make the bird smoke a bit when the bird is perfectly centered.



What does this show? It shows that if you have optimized your pattern size by the proper selection of choke and shell, you will “crinkle” birds hit on the fringe, but smoke ones that are centered. If you center a bird and it doesn’t smoke or at least break real hard, you know that your choke is being stretched past its optimum distance and that you should have choked up a bit more.

Technoid Counts Holes…
 
I do not choke for smoke!

I choke for the largest area I can focus into!

If I shoot a choke that is larger then full my focus soon falls apart just like the holes being shown in those open patterns!

Al
 
There is no difference on the score sheet between a smoked target and one that broke in two pieces.
On a smoked target it is a confidence booster and allows you to get in the zone.
If you are barely breaking targets it will play on your mind until you finally miss one.
Remember nothing great was ever achieved without confidence and enthusiasm.
As stated above.

How often do you hear the phrase, "Choke for Chips". Nothing will get the thinking wheel started faster than a chipped target. So why push it? Sure chipped targets count the same, but they sure as hell do not have the same affect on the brain as a smoked target. After the first one your odds diminish, after the second one, it becomes closer to impossible. Even 100 straights are going to have a couple of chipped targets in there no matter the choke constriction used. The difference is who is shooting it, and their ability to not at all think about them during the round, and makes them focus harder. If your first thought is the choke choice when that first chipped target occurs, your pretty much done at that point.

That old 100 chipped instead of 99 smoked is a fallacy. The only guy that could shoot 100 chipped targets in a row on purpose is Sir Neil Winston. :18:
 
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