The Waukesha Gun Club should and will do whatever it takes to earn the dollars to pay the taxes and upkeep on the property!! If that includes Sporting Clays,, then I think they are smart to pursue it. There is a huge population near Waukesha! Just think of it as the "Sporties" paying for our trap Range!
I have been there for a regular Trap Shoot and seen 50 or 60 people drive thru to shoot sporting clays, same day. Didn't bother the trap program at all, could barly hear the guns go off, course with the trap being shot who couuld tell the difference.
I think that people better get off their high horse and show some support for the only place in Wisconsin that the State Shoot has a chance of being a sucess! ! There is lots of room for compromise!! Has been a great shoot there for years, and will continue to be,, I hope!
As a group, the W.T.A. cannot afford to build a homegrounds,, unless you want a membership fee of $200.00 each,, figure it out for yourself!! 16oo members to pay taxes and upkeep. Just think of the money that has already been poured into the "homegrounds search". Every time you turn around they(WTA) are paying for yet another "study" or paying for an appraisal. I would like to know just how much money has been used on this.
Sorry to hear about Darien,, they threw lots of targets. Not only Wisconsin Shooters but many Illinois shooters will miss them.
Maybe ... just maybe the ATA could get involved and help the WTA find a place and give some financial support in the search as well. I know that in another thread the ATA was asking about promotion of trap shooting and what better way to promote trap shooting then to help the WTA find a new homeground.
I would suggest you contact the ATA and ask them for some help.
Darien will truly be missed. Lets hope that something can be worked out.
Ron how much has the range protection act helped Dave and Mary? You sound like another club President (EX in your case) that I knew. Only he was the Pres. of Milw gun club. Lets see now. Where are they now. They kept saying we have the backing of the police, sheriffs, the city and the county. All it took was one upset polititian and before you knew it they were out. Lets see do they hold elections in Pewaukee and in Waukesha co. And if you think that WGC is in any different postition I have some nice dry land in the middle of Big Muskego lake for sale cheap. Just give me a blank check and I will take care of you, trust me. Gee I might just have to run for public office.
Paul how much money has been spent on "studies" so far? The most recent studies on the land we already own have been donated as far as I can tell. The appraisals on our land have had to be done for a number of reasons other than the search for a new home grounds. Where have you gotten your "facts" from? I can't seem to find the cost of these "studies" in the minutes that I have read recently. Do you have some kind of special in that you know thing that the rest of us don't?
Now lets get back to the original thread.
I will truly miss shooting at Darien. I have shot thousands of targets there over that past years. I will miss my thistle that Dave took care of and Mary's grumpy smile. I will also miss Scotts hustle and the good looking girls and women that work there.
Dang ... I aint part of the WTA or the WGC and I aint never shot trap in Wisc but the WGC sounds like the deal of the century for the WTA and a modernization of an excisting facility is far cheaper than purchashing suitable land and building a new facility.
It does sound, as you mention Rick that somebody has some personal biases about things. To bad those biases cant be set aside for the good of the whole WTA.
It really does sound like WGC could be a great place ... images of "Grumpy Old Men" with shotguns instead of fishin poles comes to mind.
Gentlemen - I don't know the layout of this club but as a BOD member of National Capital Skeet and Trap club (currently out of operation due to shot fall issues also), we found that it is not too hard to build an earthen berm to block trap shot. Blocking skeet shot is an altogether more difficult proposition due to high angle shots on stations 1, 7, and 8.
We have found that local road builders were more than happy to build berms for nothing...well, not exactly nothing...they saved tons of money not having to haul their excess dirt to more remote fill sites. Perhaps this can be done at this club.
Don,,, I said that "I would like to know how much has been used on this."
You seem to read only what you want to! You can e-mail me direct, or call me if you want to discuss it further. I am really easy to reach!! I will even pay for the call! 866-868-9410 Anytime
Yes Paul you and right but the sentence before that one you said " Every time you turn around they (WTA) are paying for yet another " study or paying for a appraisal". Maybe it is you that can only see parts or remember parts of what you say or type.
Joe Potosky. You are correct about the shot drop issue. What I was trying to point out was that if the local, county or state or even a private party, wants you closed they will find a reason and a way to do it. Everyone thinks they are safe until it is too late. Government agencies have to many Lawyers sitting on there hands getting paid looking for people to harass. When the time comes most clubs don't have the cash to throw at their own Lawyers to fight of the wolves. I was the Pres. of Cudahy when the county wanted us and Milwaukee out. I sat through over 70 hours of meetings before Cudahy and the County came to an agreement. Unfortunatly Milwaukee couldn't and they are gone.
Rick. What happened to your post. From what I remember of it I would like to know where in my post of April 4th at 9:51am did I say anything that could be even remotely negitive about WGC. I may have an ungly head but I don't pick on how other people look. I think if you knew half as much as you think you know about me that I don't hate WGC anywhere near as much as you think. I think you and Paul only read what you want like Paul said in his last post. As a member of the BOD of the WTA I do try to the best of my ability to state only the facts as I know them, unlike some others on this site.
Lets just all hope that the Darien situation isn't over yet and there hopefully is still some hope for Dave, Mary and their crew.
Zarathrusta. Delevan is a wonderful little club to shoot. They normally were done shooting by the middle of May and I see this year that they have some shoots later in the spring and summer. I haven't seen it yet but I hear they have a new club house. The have voice releases and Pat traps. The targets are normally set well. The back ground is a little different but all in all a very nice place to shoot. You won't be disappointed.
Having never been there, how small is this place? 71/2 Lead has a maximum shot distance of 209 yards. We operate on a tiny plot of land in the center of large city and I thought were small.
Ranges today can be grandfathered for noise, avoid annexation above a minimum size, but if your operation is not contained to your property, you're at the mercy of the adjacent landholder - did they think this day would never come?!
Is the range responsible for the future remediation of the deposited shot? It a shame when any range has to shutter it operation - been there, fought back!