Just for my own curiosity... speaking of the factory loaded shells here. I see lots of folks talking about shooting Remington Gun Clubs, Federal Top Guns and all the variations of them for "second level under Premium loads". Not much said about Winchester Super Targets. Yes, they're steel based. So are the other two brands. I understand many reloaders don't like the hulls for reloading because of base wads or hull life. That's fine, I reload mostly AA HS hulls 'cause that's what I've got. I justify the expense of the AA shells by reloading them and have no interest in reloading Super Targets, Gun Clubs or Top Guns. I do however sometimes shoot the "second levels" at 16's and doubles and pitch the hulls or give them to someone that wants them. According to the handy dandy chart published on this site showing shot hardness of varying loads and lead brands, Winchester Super Targets have the hardest shot of the three brands. Is there a silent majority shooting Super Targets or did I miss a reason to shun them??