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I got all excited last night at a trap session when a couple of guys were throwing away their once-fired, red Winchester hulls - brass bases & all. I got permission to collect & keep them - only to realize that, once again, things aren’t always what they seem.

Although the heads are stamped “WINCHESTER 12 GA,” it turned out they weren’t AAs. They have 6-point crimps and - in very fine print - the boxes said “Made in France.” Then I got home & discovered that the brass heads are only plated. Bummer all around!

I will probably attempt to reload these, but I’m still pretty disappointed.

I would appreciate hearing about any reloading experience/advice that anyone has with these, including primer size.

And apologies if this has been covered here before - I ran a few searches & didn’t come up with anything.

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My understanding is that in the early 1980s, Cheddite of Livorno, Italy, bought the former production facilities of Gevelot in France.
Thus, the French operation is a subsidiary of Cheddite, Italy.
They claim to be the largest producer of shotshell hulls in the World.
 

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Sorry to bust your bubble.
Cheddite is an Italian company that manufactures in many countries. View attachment 1751979
In the early 80s, Cheddite bought the French “Gevelot” factory, thus laying the “foundation stone” of what would soon become Cheddite France. In the years that followed, the Livorno plant began to specialise in the finished product, cartridges, and components, base wads and wads and in Bourg Lès Valence, production focused on shells and primers, quickly attaining high levels of quality and quantity and guaranteeing the leading position in Europe (over 1.2 billion primers and 1 billion cases produced per year).
 

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Here are a couple of photos of the hulls - didn’t think to grab an empty box :(

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Nice that you complied with request for pics, but if it were me, I would cut a hull lengthways so I could see the construction of the hull. I suspect it is a typical Reifenhauser hull, not a current Winchester construction. Winchester could be construed as a Reifenhauser but not typical.
 
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