I've never understood this. And the more I hear it, the less I understand it, and the more foolish it sounds. All this complaining how Glock pistols have, "the wrong grip angle". What is a right one? Just because something is different than what you're used to does not make it, "wrong". I hear these people constantly complain that when they point a Glock they're looking at the top of the slide, instead of the sights. And somehow because of that the grip angle is, "wrong". Well how about this for a novel idea... Move your wrist so the sights are actually where they're supposed to be.

These same people don't complain when they transfer from a Ruger or Colt single action to a semi auto. Why not? The grip angle is far more acutely different. It seems they only whine when it's a Glock. It makes zero sense. The 1911 grip angle (all 1911 variants, Springfield XD, etc.) is more nearly square to the slide (about 18 degrees off square), while the Glock grip angle (Luger, Steyr M series, H&K P7, Ruger Mk II, etc.) is more raked (about 22 degrees off square). Are these people really trying to say they can't shoot the gun properly because the grip angle is different by only 4 degrees? That's ridiculous.

If you don't like the looks of the gun, that's fine. If you think it's too expensive to fit you're budget, that's also an acceptable reason to not want one. Even if for some reason you like your pistols with 27 different levers, buttons, and grip safeties. I can understand that. But to whine about the grip angle is just plain foolish. People aren't born with fused wrist joints. I own all but countless handguns in most every conceivable action type, size, and grip. I can go from one to the other by simply adjusting my grip and my wrist to suit that particular handgun.

And it's not as if Glock just decided to manufacture this pistol on a whim, without giving any thought to the grip, or the angle. Gaston Glock consulted many doctors, and did many studies concerning the physiology of people and the use of their hands before settling on the grip angle of the Glock. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but it would seem after all of that, along with the fact millions of Glock handguns have been successfully put into service over the last 30 years, that there is nothing "wrong" with the grip angle. Only with the shooters who cannot adjust to using the gun properly.

Glad you got that out of your system!!!!!!

jack mc

 

It's not "wrong", just different from the accepted standard that originated with the 1911.

IMHO, it only becomes ann issue when trying to switch back and forth between guns with varying grip angles when attempting to do anything beyond target shooting (anything requiring rapid sight acquisition).

 

Glock is ergonomically incorrect for me. I have to really rock my wrist over to hit a target to the point its painful, It just doesn't shoot where i am looking. I can take the 1911 and point and shoot ... target hit, Yes I have given the Glock an honest go .. but it just doesn't fit me. To me you don't fit yourself to any gun,,,,,, you make the gun fit you.
ON my XDS i changed out the backstrap to make it shoot where i am looking, In a tense situation I don't have time to think (hmmmm i need to rock my wrist over to hit the target)

So yes for me the Glock has a wrong grip angle

 

I think Glock has fixed the issues with grip with their gen 4 models. I have a gen 4 mod 19 and replaced the backstrap in about 5 minutes to make it feel like a 1911 which is perfect angle for me. jim w.

 

There is no doubt that a grip angle of 17.5 to 18 degrees is the optimum
grip angle for a handgun. This grip angle was pioneered in the 1911
design. Glock's instinctively point high. The user is forced to break
his wrist to align the sights. Almost all current polymer pistols, M&P,
XD, H&K etc , use a grip angle of near 18 degrees.

 

Simple, toy guns don't feel the same as real guns do.

Sorry, I had to do it.

 

Why are you getting so upset over it? You should just listen to the criticism, make a calm rebuttal per your view, ignore it, or just laugh. I personally don't care for Glocks and yes I have owned one but don't care about who does like them. I think they are one of the ugliest pistols ever produced. If someone gave me one I would give it to someone I don't like. I don't ride ugly motorcycles, snowmobiles, horses, or shoot ugly guns. My choice.

As far as grip angle if memory serves me right when John Browning designed the 1911 after extensive testing it was determined that a 11 degree grip to barrel angle was the optimum angle for the average shooters hand to wrist. By optimum angle it was meant that when the pistol was gripped and the shooting arm was held straight out the slide was parallel to the ground. The shooter didn't have to make a conscious effort to raise or lower the barrel to achieve a flat sighting plain that didn't require a downward or upward movement of the weapon. Take into account that this angle isn't necessarily right for everyone. It is for me. I shoot 1911's and a Springfield XD.

Many firearms manufacturers don't use the Browning 1911 grip angle for lots of reasons. Colt or Ruger are not going to retool their factories to change their revolvers. Can't imagine changing a 1873 Colt. The pistol that absolutely feels the best in my hand that I have ever had is a German P38. That thing nestles in my hand like it was made for it. Shoot what you like.

 

Think I read that Marine Special Ops are switching from 1911 style .45 to Glock 19's, with the new ammo available the 9mm kills as good as the .45, according to the Marines at least. Last I checked they know killing real well so will go with them on my selection.

 

Think I read that Marine Special Ops are switching from 1911 style .45 to Glock 19's, with the new ammo available the 9mm kills as good as the .45, according to the Marines at least. Last I checked they know killing real well so will go with them on my selection.

And, they can use any weapon they choose as most Special Ops prefer to pick and customize their own rifles and pistols.

 

I've never understood this. And the more I hear it, the less I understand it, and the more foolish it sounds. All this complaining how Glock pistols have, "the wrong grip angle". What is a right one? Just because something is different than what you're used to does not make it, "wrong". I hear these people constantly complain that when they point a Glock they're looking at the top of the slide, instead of the sights. And somehow because of that the grip angle is, "wrong". Well how about this for a novel idea... Move your wrist so the sights are actually where they're supposed to be.

These same people don't complain when they transfer from a Ruger or Colt single action to a semi auto. Why not? The grip angle is far more acutely different. It seems they only whine when it's a Glock. It makes zero sense. The 1911 grip angle (all 1911 variants, Springfield XD, etc.) is more nearly square to the slide (about 18 degrees off square), while the Glock grip angle (Luger, Steyr M series, H&K P7, Ruger Mk II, etc.) is more raked (about 22 degrees off square). Are these people really trying to say they can't shoot the gun properly because the grip angle is different by only 4 degrees? That's ridiculous.

If you don't like the looks of the gun, that's fine. If you think it's too expensive to fit you're budget, that's also an acceptable reason to not want one. Even if for some reason you like your pistols with 27 different levers, buttons, and grip safeties. I can understand that. But to whine about the grip angle is just plain foolish. People aren't born with fused wrist joints. I own all but countless handguns in most every conceivable action type, size, and grip. I can go from one to the other by simply adjusting my grip and my wrist to suit that particular handgun.

And it's not as if Glock just decided to manufacture this pistol on a whim, without giving any thought to the grip, or the angle. Gaston Glock consulted many doctors, and did many studies concerning the physiology of people and the use of their hands before settling on the grip angle of the Glock. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but it would seem after all of that, along with the fact millions of Glock handguns have been successfully put into service over the last 30 years, that there is nothing "wrong" with the grip angle. Only with the shooters who cannot adjust to using the gun properly.

I think you're on the wrong site.....Like who cares?

 

I think you're on the wrong site.....Like who cares?

In less than 4 days, 3 pages and almost 50 posts..... I would say quite a few.

 

Never paid any attention to it. I do pay attention to the sights though, that is where my focus is. Just FYI what I found was going from a nice trigger on my 1911 to the cap gun trigger on a Glock, that took some getting use to.

 

I guess we've run out of things to talk about on this forum.

 

Simple, toy guns don't feel the same as real guns do.

Sorry, I had to do it.

I've seen 1911s jam My glock hasn't as of 3500 rounds..

 

A LOT of truth to that statement. If the SHTF and I could only grab one of my many pistols, hands down it would be one of my Glocks without hesitation. I know that every time I pull the trigger(no matter what ammo I stick in it), it will go BANG!! I honestly can not say that about my other pistols and I have some nice ones. Don't get me wrong, my other pistols can be very reliable. The thing with those are they can be ammo picky in order to be reliable. The Glock's, don't care. Dirty or clean they work.

 

Ya, ya. Ya and I have seen a lot of those 350 dollar PD issued Glocks blow out because of the unsupported case issue. Which is worse when you need it? A jam you can clear or a destroyed gun?

I made my comment in jest. I have two poly framed guns, a HKPS9 and a MP in SW40. If Glock is what turns you on, go for it.

 

I have no love affair with Glocks it's what we were issued. I grew up with the colt saa and the 1911. I do love my Les Baer stinger. But I would rather loose a glock if used in a self defense situation.

 

Shot410a,

At least the issue is guns, not real guns, but guns and not cat litter boxes.

Here is my first attempt in a 80% frame build, in 9MM.......and yes it works.

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Shot410a,

At least the issue is guns, not real guns, but guns and not cat litter boxes.

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Here is my first attempt in a 80% frame build, in 9MM.......and yes it works.

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Who cares about cat litter boxes.....?

 

Think I read that Marine Special Ops are switching from 1911 style .45 to Glock 19's, with the new ammo available the 9mm kills as good as the .45, according to the Marines at least. Last I checked they know killing real well so will go with them on my selection.

I think the choice is as much about 9mm being a Nato standard round, the Glock is probably more weather resistant, a little lighter, and can fit more rounds in the magazine. My choice isn't made for adverse weather extreme combat conditions. And yes advances in ammunition equals out the playing field stopping power wise so you can go with a lighter, smaller diameter bullet. They make the same Plus P super expanders for .45, .38, .41, .44, etc. The advantage of the 9mm for the average shooter is recoil and cost. 9mm costs half what 45 does. You can get 1911's in 9mm.

 

I agree with that being 9MM the NATO round, one of many reasons US Army went to Beretta 92 in the 80's. Women in combat, smaller hands, less recoil than the 45. Also I would think the price to the government of the Glock is half of any of 1911 brand out there.

 

Simple solution is don't buy a Glock. There are plenty of other handgun options out there.

 

For me, nothing points and shoots like a SA Colt,Ruger, or one of the clones. It's what I grew up shooting the most and yes, I own and shoot revolvers and 1911's (no Glocks).

Steve

 

I've never understood this. And the more I hear it, the less I understand it, and the more foolish it sounds. All this complaining how Glock pistols have, "the wrong grip angle". What is a right one? Just because something is different than what you're used to does not make it, "wrong". I hear these people constantly complain that when they point a Glock they're looking at the top of the slide, instead of the sights. And somehow because of that the grip angle is, "wrong". Well how about this for a novel idea... Move your wrist so the sights are actually where they're supposed to be.

If you need to move your wrists to get the sights where they are supposed to be maybe the grip angle is wrong.I have Glocks and I love them but they are the wrong angle.

 

I have been shooting USPSA matches since they started in the late 70,s.
The Glock is no more reliable the than a XD, M&P or H&K. The parts that brake on
a Glock are usually the trigger pin or extractor. I 've owned half dozen Glocks and still own a
G43 but the other manufacturers have caught up and in many ways , surpassed the
Glock platform. All three I've mentioned, have grip angles of app. 18 degrees.

 

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Why Do People Constantly Complain?

 

All firearms are machines. All machines have sizes and designs. They all break sometimes, due to any number of causes. This is still America. Choose the size/design/features that you like and don't worry about anyone else.

A valid point was made about switching handguns when you are in competitions where speed is as important as accuracy.

I played the race gun game with IPSC. I had a 1911 style pistols built up for specific classes on competition. I realized I had nothing to shoot stock class, so I bought a .45 that was not of the 1911 design, and it shot high when I didn't fully use the sights. The pistol was very reliable, and plenty accurate when properly aimed. It was costing me points. I practiced with it until I could use it to the same level I shot the 1911 chassis pistols. The next match I did well in stock class but could not hit a thing with the 1911 pistols. In speed games, natural pointing is pretty important.

 

My concern would be that it's a plastic POS.

 

I agree with that being 9MM the NATO round, one of many reasons US Army went to Beretta 92 in the 80's. Women in combat, smaller hands, less recoil than the 45. Also I would think the price to the government of the Glock is half of any of 1911 brand out there.

I was involved in testing & evaluation when our local police force was going to transition from revolvers to autoloaders. Glock was one of three that the team put forth as suitable for duty use. In the end, it came down to simple economics: Glock provided enough pistols for the force (132 officers)both compact and full size, spare pistols in case of need, sufficient magazines for all, with spares, Tritium sights, sight adjustment tools, and two officers trained to Master Armorer status at the factory. All this for $165.00 per pistol.

 

I've never understood this. And the more I hear it, the less I understand it, and the more foolish it sounds. All this complaining how Glock pistols have, "the wrong grip angle". What is a right one? Just because something is different than what you're used to does not make it, "wrong". I hear these people constantly complain that when they point a Glock they're looking at the top of the slide, instead of the sights. And somehow because of that the grip angle is, "wrong". Well how about this for a novel idea... Move your wrist so the sights are actually where they're supposed to be.

These same people don't complain when they transfer from a Ruger or Colt single action to a semi auto. Why not? The grip angle is far more acutely different. It seems they only whine when it's a Glock. It makes zero sense. The 1911 grip angle (all 1911 variants, Springfield XD, etc.) is more nearly square to the slide (about 18 degrees off square), while the Glock grip angle (Luger, Steyr M series, H&K P7, Ruger Mk II, etc.) is more raked (about 22 degrees off square). Are these people really trying to say they can't shoot the gun properly because the grip angle is different by only 4 degrees? That's ridiculous.

If you don't like the looks of the gun, that's fine. If you think it's too expensive to fit you're budget, that's also an acceptable reason to not want one. Even if for some reason you like your pistols with 27 different levers, buttons, and grip safeties. I can understand that. But to whine about the grip angle is just plain foolish. People aren't born with fused wrist joints. I own all but countless handguns in most every conceivable action type, size, and grip. I can go from one to the other by simply adjusting my grip and my wrist to suit that particular handgun.

And it's not as if Glock just decided to manufacture this pistol on a whim, without giving any thought to the grip, or the angle. Gaston Glock consulted many doctors, and did many studies concerning the physiology of people and the use of their hands before settling on the grip angle of the Glock. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but it would seem after all of that, along with the fact millions of Glock handguns have been successfully put into service over the last 30 years, that there is nothing "wrong" with the grip angle. Only with the shooters who cannot adjust to using the gun properly.

First of all, the Glocks I have owned work for me. I actually think the Glock 30 fits me like a glove, but, because of thickness I carry a SA XDs. However, the pointability of any handgun is important, just as it is on a shotgun. My son prefers the feel of a Sig, and I have to work at shooting one well, just as he has to work at the Glocks.

This thread surprises me because trap shooters are prone to spend considerable money either finding a gun that fits them or having work done to make the gun fit. There are many threads about poor or mediocre shooting with recommendations to either find another gun or have the current one fitted. Why should it be any different for handguns other than the fact there are more limited options for fitting them to the shooter? Some guns fit some people and not others. That is the way it is. That is one of the reasons there are endless arguments about Browning or Beretta being "better".

 

Well in my opinion, The best way to fix A bad Glock is with A Sig. Sorry couldn't resist, But really, Ive never owned A Glock but have shot them, Just don't like them as I am A Sig guy, I did look hard at the Glock 43 when it came out but went with A Shield instead. Luckily my Sigs live well with that lonely S&W product.