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how do the payments work? who finances it?
Sorry just a poor joke, I bought it outright, was saving for a while. And took some out of savings. It didn't settle good with the boss. She agreed with how much I'd spend but went over about a bunch. She doesn't complain any more. She thinks that's the last gun that I've bought. If she only knew.
 

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If you believe you are superior by boasting about good scores shot with a cheap, ugly gun, good for you. Your future will likely be drab and filled with things that won't be an inspiration to anyone except yourself. It's OK to start with an ugly gun but to have no goals to achieve something better will forever keep you from viewing the world in a more positive manner.
 

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Sometimes I ponder this. I saved and saved until I had set aside a good down payment to buy my house. About 1/3 of what I thought I'd have to pay. Then what I felt was a good deal for me came along and I was able to buy a forclosure for 1/3 of my saved up down payment so I bought my house fully paid for in cash. It left me with 2/3 of my down to buy the boat I wanted. It sounds kind of wierd but I can't help but laugh to myself that my boat cost me double what my house did. When I think about buying a new P or K gun I think how would I possibly explain that my new trap gun cost as much as my house? My family and friends already think I have a screw loose spending more on a boat! 🤫
 

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Growing up in the '70s & '80s our parents never spoiled us with the best of the best. When the other kids were unwrapping Schwinns and Remington 870' for Christmas I was unwrapping a Huffy and a Mossberg 500. So, you can say I learned at an early age how to appreciate the finer things in life. If I wanted something special, I had to work hard to get it myself. I shot the relatively inexpensive guns for years but always aspired to someday own a nicer Browning or Beretta. So I did. Then later, I aspired to own a Krieghoff and so I did. I take pride in my accomplishments, so I humbly show off the beauty and artistry of my San Remo K gun any chance I get. I bet there's not a guy or gal on this forum that wouldn't do the same. So, you wouldn't shoot a nicer looking gun if you had the means and opportunity? REALLY? If you aspire but still want to shoot a JC Higgins, Sears or Montgomery Wards gun, then that's your prerogative and I should care less. Its your choice, but for me, life's too short to shoot an ugly gun. Unfortunately, I still haven't seen a luggage rack on a Hearse. ;)JT
 

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Apparently you haven't priced High end K guns or Perazzi's or SO Berretta's. Lot of high end target guns will reach 70,000.00. I would of been a lot of money a head if I could of started with the gun I wanted, but wasn't going to borrow money to buy it.

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Agreed. Over 20 Years ago at the Grand in OH, The was a k80 on display for $285k. A set of 4 MX8s (each gauge) for $400K. Granted you probably won't see either on the line at a shoot.
 

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But you are right. High dollar guns are not plentiful and only come out rarely.
They are out their alright. I have seen the Krieghoff gun of the year shotguns. They typically are priced in the $150,000 range. But they make one per year!!! This is not a common gun!!!

I Have seen many guns over 100,00.00 on the sporting clays courses.
Not sure what price amount you are trying to tell me. Did you put the comma in the wrong place? Or forget to add a zero? Or added one to many zero's??

I admit. Its common to see both K-guns and the P gun while shooting. 85% all are standard grade guns. The rest are a mixture of engraving patterns up too Super Scroll. Its not nearly as common to see a Krieghoff with a engraving pattern over a Super Scroll ($6,500). Or the Classic Premier grade on a Kolar. So we'll say a $20,000 shotgun. Which I'll admit is a small down payment on a home today. Shoot whatever you can afford. The gun is the cheapest part of the clay target sports. A good target shotgun (from a Browning up too ?) will always hold its value well. Its the shells, and target costs that we can never get back!!! break em all jeff
 

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Having money avails those who have it, choices, including the display of wealth. Hollywood notwithstanding, at leisure, most people would have a hard time telling the very rich apart from the well-to-do or even upper middle class. By very rich, I'm referring to people with net worth from upper multi-million and up. They usually don't wear Rolexes (or other classy) watches or designer clothes. Discreet and not prone to vulgar displays of wealth. Telltale signs: fingernails, teeth, speech and manners.
 

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Came of the line last week --Ask a youth shooter if I could see his gun -- handed me his Mossburg 500, I handed him my Dt11 --Said maybe we should trade, you beat me by one bird. Luckily he didn't take me up on it, but sure put a smile on his face.
As has been pointed out many a time it's the Indian not the arrow...
 

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Would I advise a new shooter to get a Citori rather than a Stoeger Grand? Yes, definitely.
Would I advise a new shooter to finance a Citori rather than paying cash for a Grand? Nope.
Get what you can actually afford, or, rather, get the BEST that you can afford.
Just remember, if you have to finance it, you can't afford it. Also remember that you get what you pay for, particularly in guns.
 

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........ And honestly, if you have the $ to spend, almost every shooter would be time, effort, and $ ahead to just start with a mid to high end gun, rather than progressing through a half dozen guns or more before they get to that gun, so if you have the money, you might as well start at the same point that it takes some people decades to get to.
This is known as the "Buy Once, Cry Once" theory!
 

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The ideas that a gun that doesn’t cost as much as a sizable down payment on a house is a starter gun .
Well, I guess you could take a survey of hundreds of "dedicated" clay target sport shooters, and ask them.....1.) What gun did you start with? , and 2.) What gun are you shooting today?

Sample a large enough group, and your findings for question 1 basically, by default, will get categorized as "Starter Guns" whether you like the fact or not.
 

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BarrettP. At DuPontkguns they’ll finance for 3 years. Website says 7.99% 20% down. Dave T.
When I was looking for my first "target grade" gun many years ago, I got the demos from Dupont. But when it came time to buy, they wouldn't budge off MSRP, while Paxton and Hercowitz were happy to offer 10 to 15 % discount. Of course I didn't buy from DuPont.

I've told many people, only buy from them if you need to finance. Although, I have had a couple friends buy from them since then, and they seemed happy with the deals they got.
 

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How about this?! Don't call somebody who wants and can afford an expensive gun a "snob". On the other side of the coin don't call somebody's gun a POS just because they can't afford one that cost the price of a car and/or they happy shooting what they have. I sometimes really miss the old days when people (especially shooters) were nicer and more respectful to each other. Shoot well ! 😐
 
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