[K-Hornet]

I bought my K80 in 2008 at the Grand. Traded in my BT99 and got a good deal with low monthly payments. In 5 years I'll own it outright. A few years after that I'll probably sell that the K80 for more then I paid for it and but the money down on a good used Kia.

 

[Hingpin]

The ideas that a gun that doesn’t cost as much as a sizable down payment on a house is a starter gun .

Most shooters guns shoot alot better than they can$250 or $20,000 jmo

 

[vatrap]

Most shooters guns shoot alot better than they can$250 or $20,000 jmo

Somebody with reasonable skills and a $3000 gun that put some real time in with a stock fitter and some actual coaching will be miles ahead of most guys with $20,000 gun and none of the other two in my experience.

 

[Henry Claybuster]

The ideas that a gun that doesn’t cost as much as a sizable down payment on a house is a starter gun .

If it were really true, then a LOT of folks earned their way into the Hall of Fame with “starter guns”.

 

[DuckNut]

Who came up with this idea: The ideas that a gun that doesn’t cost as much as a sizable down payment on a house is a starter gun .

I'm not so sure I comprehend your broken engrish. I will comment based on removing the negative and assume you are asking about more expensive guns as starter guns.

The vast majority of the guns I see are say $7,500 or less and they will not even be a down payment on a car. I digress. People who are shooters and get their kids involved tend to spend more money on starter guns because they have learned the value of these products. If the kid does not stick it out they will probably keep it rather than selling it.

There is so much money out there today that $10k for a gun to shoot occasionally is no big deal. The gun manufacturers have figured this out and are making more and more models in the higher price range than the lower ranges. Car manufacturers have learned this too and are focusing all of their efforts on goliath sized vehicles with monstrous prices to match. My guess with cars is that people do not care what the final price is as long as it fits within their $X monthly payment.

To me I do not care about the arrows in use and focus more on how I can get in the head of the Indian using it. Fancy arrows don't break targets, Indian's do.

 

[peavine]

I started ATA with granddad's m12 in 1995. I had shot it for several years prior. I thought I needed a single barrel and bought a used bt99. I never shot it well. The HPAR 90-T caught my eye at the grand in 97 and bought one of those. I shot it for a 7 years and a bunch of targets and punches back to the 26. My current MX15 I traded for in 04 and after some eye trouble and learning to shoot from the other hand, I've made it back to the 26 currently. Are there purtier guns in the rack? Yes. Will one magically make me break more targets? Probably not. I would hate to have to buy a new MX15 now though!! If you have the dough, do it.

 

[buster45]

Only a snobish fool looks down on what someone else is shooting. I have shot Model 12's 3200's, Ithaca Century, BT99,1100's a host of Browning O/U's Several Perazzi's, even quit shooting for about fifteen years couldn't afford it. I now own and shoot a couple of highly engraved Krieghoff's. Do I shoot them better HELL NO! But every time I look down and see them I remember the journey it took to get where I could afford it. It makes me smile. I'm on the back side of life and I am going to enjoy every moment I have left. I suggest you quit worrying about what someone else is shooting and enjoy the moment.

Buster

 

[benny r. lawrence]

I'm not so sure I comprehend your broken engrish. I will comment based on removing the negative and assume you are asking about more expensive guns as starter guns.

The vast majority of the guns I see are say $7,500 or less and they will not even be a down payment on a car. I digress. People who are shooters and get their kids involved tend to spend more money on starter guns because they have learned the value of these products. If the kid does not stick it out they will probably keep it rather than selling it.

There is so much money out there today that $10k for a gun to shoot occasionally is no big deal. The gun manufacturers have figured this out and are making more and more models in the higher price range than the lower ranges. Car manufacturers have learned this too and are focusing all of their efforts on goliath sized vehicles with monstrous prices to match. My guess with cars is that people do not care what the final price is as long as it fits within their $X monthly payment.

To me I do not care about the arrows in use and focus more on how I can get in the head of the Indian using it. Fancy arrows don't break targets, Indian's do.

Point taken , I still wonder if there’s that much money In the shooting sports why is it I see so much about the cost of ammunition , reloading components and target fees . As for my grammar if it bothers you I promise you faithfully I don’t care. Oh and lastly have you looked at new car sales recently ?

 

[DuckNut]

Point taken , I still wonder if there’s that much money In the shooting sports why is it I see so much about cost the of ammunition , reloading components and target fees . As for my grammar if it bothers you I promise you faithfully I don’t care. Oh and lastly have you looked at new car sales recently ?

I was just busting your chops on your grammar. Had to laugh out loud on your comment.

New car sales have been stable despite the price tags.

I believe, and it is only my opinion and yours and others may differ, we see so much about the cost of shooting because people have been programmed to complain. People are so quick to blast negative comments about a topic than a positive review. When was the last time you saw a comment about a person receiving good service at a restaurant vs poor service. Good service vs bad service - bad service will always be the first to be shared and most likely the only one to be shared.

Secondly. Trapshooter's are on the upper end of the age scale and they have decades of memories stored in their heads. Everything has gone up in costs but I don't hear as many complaints about the cost to assemble a peanut butter and jelly sandwich vs the cost to assemble shotshells.

I think if you do a deep dive on costs you may find the cost of shooting today is less than the cost of the 70's and 80's in percent of average income. But where it is really noticed is when our upper aged people see the costs rise and their fixed income doesn't. This is where they see the percent change and it is real.

 

[jk80]

Every year at the grand you can see a parent financing a k-80 for a junior shooter. Heck, I e got a nephew who plays hockey as a goalie. His equipment was over 3000 bucks.

 

[benny r. lawrence]

I was just busting your chops on your grammar. Had to laugh out loud on your comment.

New car sales have been stable despite the price tags.
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I believe, and it is only my opinion and yours and others may differ, we see so much about the cost of shooting because people have been programmed to complain. People are so quick to blast negative comments about a topic than a positive review. When was the last time you saw a comment about a person receiving good service at a restaurant vs poor service. Good service vs bad service - bad service will always be the first to be shared and most likely the only one to be shared.

Secondly. Trapshooter's are on the upper end of the age scale and they have decades of memories stored in their heads. Everything has gone up in costs but I don't hear as many complaints about the cost

I was just busting your chops on your grammar. Had to laugh out loud on your comment.

New car sales have been stable despite the price tags.
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I believe, and it is only my opinion and yours and others may differ, we see so much about the cost of shooting because people have been programmed to complain. People are so quick to blast negative comments about a topic than a positive review. When was the last time you saw a comment about a person receiving good service at a restaurant vs poor service. Good service vs bad service - bad service will always be the first to be shared and most likely the only one to be shared.

Secondly. Trapshooter's are on the upper end of the age scale and they have decades of memories stored in their heads. Everything has gone up in costs but I don't hear as many complaints about the cost to assemble a peanut butter and jelly sandwich vs the cost to assemble shotshells.

I think if you do a deep dive on costs you may find the cost of shooting today is less than the cost of the 70's and 80's in percent of average income. But where it is really noticed is when our upper aged people see the costs rise and their fixed income doesn't. This is where they see the percent change and it is real.

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Every year at the grand you can see a parent financing a k-80 for a junior shooter. Heck, I e got a nephew who plays hockey as a goalie. His equipment was over 3000 bucks.

My son played baseball and it was never ending the money that you could spend. The baseball was mostly paid for by the school but the travel and motel rooms were on my wife and me. High school wasn’t too bad but college was really expensive.

 

[Pull & Mark]

Apparently you haven't priced High end K guns or Perazzi's or SO Berretta's. Lot of high end target guns will reach 70,000.00.

I haven't seen a Crown Grade Krieghoff shotgun since I was a kid. Even a brand new Crown grade Krieghoff can be had for under 55 grand for a Trap Combo, or a 2 barrel Skeet carrier barrel set!!! A SO5 can be had for 35 grand for a new one!!! I've never seen a shooter, shooting one of them as well. Not even at the South Florida Shooting Club!!!

So I'm sorry, but Nobody See's Lots of $70,000 Shotguns on the Target Range!!!!!! Even to see a shotgun Worth over 20 Grand is a Rare Sight!!!

When I was just a kid, I did see 2 Crown Grades, and a Super Crown Grade all on the same gun rack in front of the office of the Palm Beach Trap and Skeet Club back in the 70's!!! All 3 were 4 barrel M-32 skeet sets!!! Now that was a site to see, for this young kid!!! Break em all jeff

 

[Justin L.]

I remember hearing in the late 90’s or early 2000’s that trapshooters will complain if the cost of a round of trap goes up $0.25. Then they get their $10,000 gun out of their $50,000 truck and shoot, probably haul a travel trailer that cost more than the truck, too. It’s true, too.

I’ve never heard anyone talk down to another shooter about the gun they shoot or can afford, in person. Nor have I heard anyone say that you NEED a K80, Perazzi, or Kolar to get started in clay target shooting. As was said above, you will be money ahead if you have the ability to just buy what gun you want at the start, but not many people do that, because who knows if they will stick with the sport long enough or get into it enough to justify the cost of a high dollar gun.

The economy is not good now, and it isn’t just folks on fixed income that are affected (but the retired guys might be the loudest complainers about it, because they really saw when shooting was cheaper). A lot of things have increased 30% or more in the last few years. How many working people can go to their boss and say, “I need a 30% raise?” Or work enough OT to make 30% more? I’d be willing to bet not many. I’m not complaining, just my perspective.

 

[gpark09]

20% down on a $350,000 average price home today is 70,000 dollars. I know of no target shotguns costing that much. break em all jeff

That's what I used to thought, until one day a club member shooting next to me brought his new $300K Fabbri. I always thought those kinds of guns only exist at the auction.

 

[Trapfirst!]

Somebody with reasonable skills and a $3000 gun that put some real time in with a stock fitter and some actual coaching will be miles ahead of most guys with $20,000 gun and none of the other two in my experience.

Absolutely true. But there are plenty of people who can do all that, buy a $10k+ gun, and anything else they want. In shotgunning, it’s still mostly the Indian.

 

[DuckNut]

I haven't seen a Crown Grade Krieghoff shotgun since I was a kid. Even a brand new Crown grade Krieghoff can be had for under 55 grand for a Trap Combo, or a 2 barrel Skeet carrier barrel set!!! A SO5 can be had for 35 grand for a new one!!! I've never seen a shooter, shooting one of them as well. Not even at the South Florida Shooting Club!!!

So I'm sorry, but Nobody See's Lots of $70,000 Shotguns on the Target Range!!!!!! Even to see a shotgun Worth over 20 Grand is a Rare Sight!!!

When I was just a kid, I did see 2 Crown Grades, and a Super Crown Grade all on the same gun rack in front of the office of the Palm Beach Trap and Skeet Club back in the 70's!!! All 3 were 4 barrel M-32 skeet sets!!! Now that was a site to see, for this young kid!!! Break em all jeff

I shoot some charity events and a few of the guys i know bring guns that cost as much as the house. They are there to show off and donate big money. Typically they buy so many gun tickets the value is astronomical and then they give the certificate they win to a kid.

But you are right. High dollar guns are not plentiful and only come out rarely.

 

[DuckNut]

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My son played baseball and it was never ending the money that you could spend. The baseball was mostly paid for by the school but the travel and motel rooms were on my wife and me. High school wasn’t too bad but college was really expensive.

Yep. My kids baseball is probably pushing 10k a year and he is 8. I'll gladly spend it because he would rather be on the field instead of on a video game.

 

[dls guide]

Basically who cares

 

[BarrettP]

I bought my K80 in 2008 at the Grand. Traded in my BT99 and got a good deal with low monthly payments. In 5 years I'll own it outright. A few years after that I'll probably sell that the K80 for more then I paid for it and but the money down on a good used Kia.

how do the payments work? who finances it?

 

[DTrykow]

BarrettP. At DuPontkguns they’ll finance for 3 years. Website says 7.99% 20% down. Dave T.