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The ideas that a gun that doesn’t cost as much as a sizable down payment on a house is a starter gun .
Who came up with this idea ?
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No one I know of. But I hear and read shooters of lower cost guns who apparently feel the need to justify themselves for some reason.
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I've never witnessed it and I have shot at a lot of clubs (50+). The guys I know with high end guns are mainly retired and they can afforded it. More power to them. I made the 27 with a used BT99 that looks like it fell out of the back of a truck, no one has ever said a word to me.
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Seems we live vastly different worlds . Around here I see hordes of kids with high end guns and porches full of folks that at the drop of a hat will explain in great detail the virtues of each and every one of them. Most of the old guy have owned everything you can think of over the years and are back on one of there old favorites, something like a 680 series Beretta or an older Citori. We live in a big world an evidently our experiences can differ greatly.
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Exactly.
We're snobs that are driving people out of the sport when we don't reinforce the purchase of the latest 500 dollar POS turkish break action. Although those that like to whine because we won't shine on neophytes conveniently leave out that a half dozen or more alternative guns, in the same price range and with exponentially higher quality with proven track records in the decades or in many cases the better part of a century, were offered.
To the OP: To be honest I think what you describe is exceedingly rare. It typically only happens with youth shooters who have well heeled parents, or retirees (who are equally well off). I've never heard anyone ONCE tell another shooter, either in person or online, that they NEED to spend multiple thousands of dollars on a gun to get started, it definitely gets cried about a lot more by non-involved 3rd parties than it actually happens. And honestly, if you have the $ to spend, almost every shooter would be time, effort, and $ ahead to just start with a mid to high end gun, rather than progressing through a half dozen guns or more before they get to that gun, so if you have the money, you might as well start at the same point that it takes some people decades to get to.
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What is your idea of a sizeable down payment on a house???
When I bought my home. You needed to put 20% down on a house. Or you had to take out a extra insurance policy on your home for the bank. So the bank would not lose money on your home if you trashed the home. and just walked away from your home during the first handful of years.
20% down on a $350,000 average price home today is 70,000 dollars. I know of no target shotguns costing that much. break em all jeff
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Apparently you haven't priced High end K guns or Perazzi's or SO Berretta's. Lot of high end target guns will reach 70,000.00. I would of been a lot of money a head if I could of started with the gun I wanted, but wasn't going to borrow money to buy it.
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What Buster said
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Some people want to own a shotgun that cost 15 to 20 grand. If that makes them happy so be it but, Many others are happy with what they shoot. The first 100 straight from 27 yards at the GAH was with a Model 12. The last one who won it did with a BT-100 .Neither of those guns would make a down payment o a house with today's prices. You can buy pretty wood and engraving but you can't BUY talent.
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Ok everybody has there opinion and all I’ll add is on T. S. over the years I wonder how many threads there have been bashing lets say none big name O/Us . If y’all say it never or rarely happens ok but everybody’s experiences may not be the same.
i don't care what someone shoots. if they can afford it; ok. many that can't afford it, yet still buy them are fools. if you have taken out a loan to buy a high-end gun; you are one of the fools. and the parents that start their children out with a high end gun aren't doing their children any favors. i find it sad.
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Can't count the times I saw shooters buy a fancy smoke pole thinking it would turn them into an instant success ,only to find that old BT-99 , Beretta 680, Model 12 an so forth turned in better scores for them . One guy I know just had to have an O/U Lugtic . He had one his states double championship more than once with a Citori. Long story short he did NOT shoot it well. sold it, and started shooting the Citori again. Nora Martin Ross because the first woman to win a Grand Championship ring ( Doubles championship ) with an old Browning Broadway in her hands. Want a challenge ? Try shooting doubles against a young man from MS. who was the 2020 Grand doubles Champ ( 100x100) . His gun of choice ? An old Remington 3200 that looks like it has been through a war ! If anybody wants a gun that cost 15-20 grand then fine by me, more power to them but, Looking down or talking down to someone who is happy shooting something else is just trying to make themselves feel special. Rudy Etchen, Dan Orlic, and Vic Reinders became shooting icons shooting pump guns. The first 100 straight from 27 yds, ever in the GAH was by a shooter toting a Model 12. To each his own but, anybody who thinks buying a P gun will turn them into Dan Bonillas or a K-80 will suddenly make them into Harlan Campbell is delusional .
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When I first started to shoot trap, my first gun was a very well used Win. model 12 that was a family hand-me -down. Couldn't hit a bull in the a-- at 20 paces, but saved my part time $ till I could improve the situation. After many years, and guns, I bought new and now shoot a Browning BT-99 and plan to do so for a long time . Not a real high dollar gun, but works for me, and that's what counts !! 
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What amazes me the most- are the young kids shooting Kolars, K-80's and P guns. Holy cow- I started out with a 870, and M-12- and owned them for many years. Its all relative too- right ??!! And these young shooters all wear Pilla glasses too. I am happy to shoot what I have, and thankful to have what I have too. Like porthos stated- taking out a loan to buy a high end gun now is something many dealers offer- financing options. Hal Dupont offered financing likely 40 years ago, and even "trade up" to a higher grade using your original gun for this transaction. Oh well- to each his/her own. I just wanna have fun- cause life is too short.
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If my comments offended anyone- I apologize. My meds haven't kicked in yet
If a guy has an old lady, 4 kids, 2 in diapers, mortgage payment, truck loan, car lease and the every days of every day who cares what he’s shooting. He’s getting out and likely half decent with the ole ‘64 TB Trap he’s toting. I know where you’re coming from but that’s all the better it gets for him now. This same guy may stop shooting for awhile even. Return 2 years later a different guy with a different gun. He’s only trying to justify why he’s shooting what he’s shooting because he can’t shoot anything better now. He’s not envious of what others got. He know he’ll have better at some point in the future.
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"And honestly, if you have the $ to spend, almost every shooter would be time, effort, and $ ahead to just start with a mid to high end gun, rather than progressing through a half dozen guns or more before they get to that gun, so if you have the money, you might as well start at the same point that it takes some people decades to get to."
This is the lesson most people don't get, my self included when they start out.
This is the lesson most people don't get, my self included when they start out.
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Find what you like, and disregard what anyone thinks of it, looks or price, or both. Something that shoots where you think you are pointing, that doesn't beat the hell out of you, if the price is more than you want to pay, keep looking. A lot of guys will let you try their guns if they know you are looking, that way to can try before you buy
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