Today the Dow closed below 8000, 5 year low. What is happening? - and why when our country elected the Messiah would not the stocks rise to new levels. Or do we wait until inauguration day for that to happen along with all wars stopping.
When does the economy turn around?
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Would you rather listen to the idiots, or study History?
In the 30's they tried to get things going by spending government money they didn't have.
That made a ten year depression instead of a short sharp recession, which is what would have happened if Democrat New Deal politics had been stopped.
It took a World War and hundreds of thousands of deaths to put an end to it.
Well, cheer up, we got Hoover dam and some reforestation out of it.
Ptui.
HM
In the 30's they tried to get things going by spending government money they didn't have.
That made a ten year depression instead of a short sharp recession, which is what would have happened if Democrat New Deal politics had been stopped.
It took a World War and hundreds of thousands of deaths to put an end to it.
Well, cheer up, we got Hoover dam and some reforestation out of it.
Ptui.
HM
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I suggest you tighten your belt some more, it has a long ways to go yet ( down) Ant increase in the market will be short lived until late next year
Jerbear- I do have a few tracks of land scattered over the county. What crops would you suggest I plant on a 90 acres of forested mountain land. I am only aware of one crop that is planted by others in the mountains, and it is something I cannot eat.
I guess the plant could be grown on my land and used for trophies at a shoot. Could you suggest a name for such a shoot that could be put in Trap and Field? What about the program? Perhaps a 1/4 for attending, and a pound for high gun? Please give me some suggestions. If we can put this together, would you be responsible for growing the trophies and giving them to the winners? Could such a shoot stimulate things?
Pat Ireland
I guess the plant could be grown on my land and used for trophies at a shoot. Could you suggest a name for such a shoot that could be put in Trap and Field? What about the program? Perhaps a 1/4 for attending, and a pound for high gun? Please give me some suggestions. If we can put this together, would you be responsible for growing the trophies and giving them to the winners? Could such a shoot stimulate things?
Pat Ireland
Don't know if your very creative idea would work so well Pat.
If the trophies of which you speak were handed out during a big shoot, the partakers of such would more than likely become so paranoid about missing in subsequent events they'd scratch for the rest of the competition.
Guy B.
If the trophies of which you speak were handed out during a big shoot, the partakers of such would more than likely become so paranoid about missing in subsequent events they'd scratch for the rest of the competition.
Guy B.
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Pat:
Maybe I'll bake some brownies and think about it.
sissy
Maybe I'll bake some brownies and think about it.
sissy
Nobody knows when the bottom is BUT, you had better buy stocks when they are lower than hell, and when things turn around(maybe next summer?) you can make a ton! Like many market hotshots have said " A couple years from now we will look back and say I can't believe I could have bought so many good stocks so damn cheap and COULD have made so much money!!!"
I've been playing in the market for 35 years now and WISH I had bought a LOT more when it was waaaay down!
I've been playing in the market for 35 years now and WISH I had bought a LOT more when it was waaaay down!
KEN X, you are so right. If this is the end of the world our money is worthless anyway, but if it's just another cycle the bottom is the place to buy buy buy. One of the old bankers, Morgan or Rothschild, always said the time to buy is when there's blood running in the streets.
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Who would load the trap house dude?
K80, this economy has not hit botton yet and won't likely hit bottom till late spring, early summer! The stock market will dip slightly below 6,500 and unemploymnet will close in on 7%, which 93% of the population will still be working in some capacity.
Neither Barack Obama and or John McCain would have any immediate effect on the state of our economy. This is the long-term effect of congress after congress and President after President spending more than they are taking in. The idea of a congressional budget went out the window starting with President Johnson's war on poverty, in the late 1960's.
The Bush administration ran up the fastest debt in this country's history! You can not fund two wars and a tax & spend policy and at the same time reduce taxes. Try to do that on your home budget! You would be facing bankruptcy in one year!
The Treasury Dept along with the Chairman of the Federal Reserve asked congress for a blank check to re-establish the central banks with working capital. Congress in its hurry to get this done but with no oversight or ground rules pushed this bill through. All the central banks were re-capitalized and were suppose to begin lending money to smaller banks and to the consumer helping retail sales, mfg etc. Instead healthy banks used taxpayer money to buy up banks going out of business. So the 380 billion used to re-capatalize the credit system has been averted to companies like Goldman Sachs, AIG, J.P. Morgan, Wells Fargo and Bank of America. Very little money has been sent out to lending institutions to loan to the consumers! Companies like GE Capital, Jaguar Capital, GMAC capital, Ford Finance can not finance a car to the average consumer because they can't get working capital from the major banks. Ultimately, it has choked retail sales, mfg and the supplementary businesses that support the mfg base in this country.
About 50 billion of this money was to be used to help refinance homes at lower rates. Having people making monthly payments on their homes, thus reducing the drag on the outstanding mortgages. Henry Paulson at the Treasury Dept decided they were "NOT" going to do this! This was a major factor in why many politicians voted to authorize the money to the Treasury dept. It was to ultimately help those losing their homes!
750 billion dollars of tax payer money has been authorized by congress and yet none of the major underlying issues have been addressed! Once this money went out the door and their was no congressional oversight the billions got re-directed to Henry Paulson's ( the former CEO of Goldman Sachs )buddies at Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan and AIG.
K80, we will not see any real turn in this economy until at least the third quarter of 2009 and possibly the first quarter 2010. By then the money should work its way through the capital markets and the working capital released to the consumer.
Rick
Neither Barack Obama and or John McCain would have any immediate effect on the state of our economy. This is the long-term effect of congress after congress and President after President spending more than they are taking in. The idea of a congressional budget went out the window starting with President Johnson's war on poverty, in the late 1960's.
The Bush administration ran up the fastest debt in this country's history! You can not fund two wars and a tax & spend policy and at the same time reduce taxes. Try to do that on your home budget! You would be facing bankruptcy in one year!
The Treasury Dept along with the Chairman of the Federal Reserve asked congress for a blank check to re-establish the central banks with working capital. Congress in its hurry to get this done but with no oversight or ground rules pushed this bill through. All the central banks were re-capitalized and were suppose to begin lending money to smaller banks and to the consumer helping retail sales, mfg etc. Instead healthy banks used taxpayer money to buy up banks going out of business. So the 380 billion used to re-capatalize the credit system has been averted to companies like Goldman Sachs, AIG, J.P. Morgan, Wells Fargo and Bank of America. Very little money has been sent out to lending institutions to loan to the consumers! Companies like GE Capital, Jaguar Capital, GMAC capital, Ford Finance can not finance a car to the average consumer because they can't get working capital from the major banks. Ultimately, it has choked retail sales, mfg and the supplementary businesses that support the mfg base in this country.
About 50 billion of this money was to be used to help refinance homes at lower rates. Having people making monthly payments on their homes, thus reducing the drag on the outstanding mortgages. Henry Paulson at the Treasury Dept decided they were "NOT" going to do this! This was a major factor in why many politicians voted to authorize the money to the Treasury dept. It was to ultimately help those losing their homes!
750 billion dollars of tax payer money has been authorized by congress and yet none of the major underlying issues have been addressed! Once this money went out the door and their was no congressional oversight the billions got re-directed to Henry Paulson's ( the former CEO of Goldman Sachs )buddies at Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan and AIG.
K80, we will not see any real turn in this economy until at least the third quarter of 2009 and possibly the first quarter 2010. By then the money should work its way through the capital markets and the working capital released to the consumer.
Rick
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Hopefully in 4 years and not eight. Bulge
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For the next 4 years, just bend over and spell RUN over and over...
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