mixer, gordon and jollytraphsooter - I'm asking a serious question, here.
Trying to determine what shells were used and at what distance partly as a form of reinforcing gun safety since lately there's a lot of bullshit floating about the net that birdshot can't kill, etc. I've seen a lot of assholes at gun clubs waving muzzles around like cheerleader's batons and actually overheard someone say "it's only birdshot, the worst it can do is hurt skin"
I may present it to a director of a local hunter safety program.
If you want to add something constructive, chime in. Otherwise buzz the hell off. Especially jollyroger - your comment is beneath reproach.
Steve, I've noticed the same sort of thing along with guns being carried around with the action closed - so much so that I've written a column about it that will be published in one of the summer issues.
I even witnessed an older shooter remove his closed O/U from its soft case, turn it around so the muzzles were pointed at his face and study the choke tube markings. When another shooter closer to him than me said something to him, his reply was, "It's okay - I know it's empty."
Could you have that column available to us in a word file or post it here so that we could copy it and make it available to pass out to some of our less safety minded shooters. Many of the new shooters must be REMINDED several times about muzzle waving and quite a few of our game shooters seem to think that they can shoot and wait until they get to the gun rack before they open the gun and take out the empty shell. <br>
One of our newest members is a nationally rated IPSC Range Officer and would like to see us enforce the "Open or Out Rule" on these guys. I KNOW it drives him crazy.
I've recently discovered a similar thing. Depending on weather conditions I believe there is a phenomenon that occurs at long distances. You can be dead on a target from say the 26 and just as your shot arrives a hole opens right where the target is and passes through unscathed. Then somewhere behind me someone howlers LOST. It's very unnerving but I continue trying.
I would not want anyone shooting at me with "just bird shot" at any distance. Especially at any distance under say 15 yards. Have you looked at the hole in the target box at Neil's suggested distance of 13 yards for poi testing?
As for the original question, I don't know but please post it if you find out.
I don't want to get in the way of ANY shotgun discharge. I made some blanks 40 years ago using cards wads and PB powder. They put a serious dent in 1/8" thick steel at around 5 yards or so. I'd not hesitate to say they could have been lethal at that distance. I'm sure 7 1/2s or 8s can kill or maim at reasonable distances.
Instead of shooting at a piece of paper at 13 yrds to determine POI just think what that hole 2 inches in dia with 400+ shot would do to flesh if it happened to hit a person. I think it would smart!!
There is a book available to you there called Basic Ballistics or similar. It gives velocities and yardage that pellets will penetrate the human skin. Size 8.5 pellet leaving the barrel at 1200 fps will penetrate the skin at over 100yards.
Gordie, You said:
"ya bird shot is deadly to, as you well know bird shot can blind a guy at pert near any distance, and can probebly kill at the end of a barrel"
Cmon Gordie. "Probably" kill at the end of the barrel? Jesus man. At the end of a barrel damn near any 12 gauge shotgun shell will almost tear a man in half. Almost no difference between birdshot and bigger shot. Have you ever played around shooting things at very close range with a shotgun? It ain't pretty. Jake