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Unless some genius like Justin is the DA. Good thing his opinion doesn’t carry the weight of law. Or we’d have a Rittenhouse kangaroo court action going against everyone with foresight to stock up.
No, you’d just have a bunch of people getting called out on making a buck from people that didn’t know or weren’t able to stock up. You can twist it how you want- I just see it as times are tough now for shooters to find ammunition and components- it’d take a Democrat to take advantage of that.
 

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When I get primers and don't need all 5000 I sell them to members of the club I shoot at. I have 47.96/1000 and sell them for 48.00/1000 just so I don't have to deal with the change. Maybe I should stop gouging me fellow shooters and charge them 47.96. I like helping them out and don't want to shoot alone if they don't have primers to load with.
 

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No need to be sorry- sooo, you get shells below retail cost and then you and the store owner openly admit to raping people with the prices that you charge? I get all that I need from that statement right there- any chance you want to post the name of your buddy’s business? Didn’t think so- I’ll bet neither one of you would like that to be ported. And your posts in the last 2 years about getting ammo? I looked through your entire post count (albeit very quickly and it is possible that I missed it) and didn’t see anything about that.
You need to go back and look again because there are quite a few posts about it.

I also am not in the selling of ammo to make a buck and it is not a concerted effort to rape people. I buy a bunch of ammo and if I do not use it with the new shooters and feel I won't need it in the immediate future I will sell some of it. Then I give the money back to the store owner so he can feed his family - just like I stated above.

You are having a lack of rational thinking. The entire thread is not in your corner and you continue to blame others for what appears to be your lack of planning.

I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp. Why aren't you upset about the used car market? Those people are really raping their customers on big ticket items which people must have in order to earn a living.

If I give you my friends name he will charge you the price on the shelves so it will do you no good to know it. Maybe if you go and make a good friend at your local gun store you might be able to buy ammo when he gets it in. Heck, your new found friend just might sell you some at good prices compared to the "next" guy through the door. But I have a feeling you would rather drive to all the Walmart's only to come home empty handed and complain about it.
 

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It is getting a little heated in this thread. I will try not to add to the drama.

A free market works. The increase in prices rewards those who tied up capital in inventory and took a risk purchasing at the old price. The increased price helps prevent hoarding. People will only purchase what they need and not empty the shelves at the local store. The amount of money a vendor makes it not relevant at all.

This discussion brings up a pet peeve of mine. I live far north of areas affected by hurricanes. When a storm strikes one of the costal areas, it would be frowned upon if I loaded a truck with generators and other needed supplies and brought to effected areas and charged a higher amount for my expenses and labor.

It does make a great sound bight for politicians to get on tv and talk about the gouging! But he result is no entrepreneur loads up supplies and gets to the area.


I learned to stock up over all the past shortages. I don’t have a lot but I am managing. Finding pheasant ammo has been difficult…….

Remember when you hear the term gouging…it usually means the same as a free market. No one is forced to buy.

Also, I have never sold any firearms or supplies. I am just a consumer that plans ahead to avoid the drama every few years.


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It is getting a little heated in this thread. I will try not to add to the drama.

A free market works. The increase in prices rewards those who tied up capital in inventory and took a risk purchasing at the old price. The increased price helps prevent hoarding. People will only purchase what they need and not empty the shelves at the local store. The amount of money a vendor makes it not relevant at all.

This discussion brings up a pet peeve of mine. I live far north of areas affected by hurricanes. When a storm strikes one of the costal areas, it would be frowned upon if I loaded a truck with generators and other needed supplies and brought to effected areas and charged a higher amount for my expenses and labor.

It does make a great sound bight for politicians to get on tv and talk about the gouging! But he result is no entrepreneur loads up supplies and gets to the area.


I learned to stock up over all the past shortages. I don’t have a lot but I am managing. Finding pheasant ammo has been difficult…….

Remember when you hear the term gouging…it usually means the same as a free market. No one is forced to buy.

Also, I have never sold any firearms or supplies. I am just a consumer that plans ahead to avoid the drama every few years.


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Jacking up pricing on generators during a state of emergency is the definition of gouging.

In my state, you can still make a profit, but can't charge substantially more then in normal times.
 

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Went to a different guy who has some primers, they are Nobel, $20 for 500. Decent price so I bought them. Who knows they could be the next Cheddite primers. Cheaper but nobody wants them... ha Shot was no bargain bit I picked up a bag for me and a buddy @ $50 per...
 

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Went to a different guy who has some primers, they are Nobel, $20 for 500. Decent price so I bought them. Who knows they could be the next Cheddite primers. Cheaper but nobody wants them... ha Shot was no bargain bit I picked up a bag for me and a buddy @ $50 per...
You may regret this decision. NS primer are oversized and will stretch the pockets of your US made hulls, if that is what you are using. One bright/dim spot, in the some Hodgdon printed reloading guides, it say you can substitute the NS primer for any other primer (which tells you something about their relative "hotness").

I used a sleeve and and when i ran out and went back to using Win primers, they would not stay in. I would encounter a load with no primer, fish around the bottom of my pouch, find it, and press it back in with my thumb, and it went off (break action gun). If you use US made hulls, I suggest segregating a batch of hulls and only load them with the NS primers.
 

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When Hodgdon had that statement in their paper load books. It stated that the N-S (available at that time which was their 686) primer could be substituted safely for the WW209. It did not say
One bright/dim spot, in the some Hodgdon printed reloading guides, it say you can substitute the NS primer for any other primer (which tells you something about their relative "hotness").
This may not apply to the New NS primer which is not a 686, and the latest manual may indeed say what you indicate. The original statement was only in the manual until the next printing and was missing for years. Did they put it back?
I know that every test that I have had done with the NS 686 primer had poor performance when compared with the WW209 or the Fed 209A and similar loads with only a primer change.
 

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Justin L if an adult is willing to pay whatever amount the seller is asking then that is totally between those 2 individuals.
They are the only ones that have to be happy with the transaction.
The buyer is not being forced to purchase but it is his money, he earned it and he can spend it where and on what he wants to.
I need pistol/ rifle primers and some have been available for $70 to $90 a 1000, so far I have declined to purchase because of the hazmat and shipping charges being added to the price, for now my choice to do so.
 

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Justin L if an adult is willing to pay whatever amount the seller is asking then that is totally between those 2 individuals.
They are the only ones that have to be happy with the transaction.
The buyer is not being forced to purchase but it is his money, he earned it and he can spend it where and on what he wants to.
I need pistol/ rifle primers and some have been available for $70 to $90 a 1000, so far I have declined to purchase because of the hazmat and shipping charges being added to the price, for now my choice to do so.
Between 2 private parties that is fully correct. However there are laws that protect the RETAIL consumer. Thus, ripping off comsumers JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN is not legal. During the early covid time period merchants were fined for charging too much for toilet paper. Remember the hoarding, people get stupid about buying "extra", so they dont run out. Well does that sound familiar? Nothing will bring shooting supplies back to full shelves till the guys who buy WAY ahead (hoard) quit buying. But I dont see that happening anytime soon. Once it sits on the shelf at stupid prices, prices should self adjust.
Now do I think us quirky oddball trap and skeet shooters would get much sympathy from anyone outside our "community"? NO, its totally a luxury, unlike toilet paper. We got too much money, and apparently can afford to pay these stupid prices so WE DO.
We still shop for the better deals, but frankly Im going to buy enough primers and shot to use up my powders/wads. Once Im close to being out, I will either pony up for more or take a hiatus. Just depends.
I always said golf was too expensive to be involved with, clay target shooting was cheaper, at these prices, I might rethink my position and take up golf. ha
 

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In all FREE MARKET systems THE BUYER sets the price. When a seller asks too high a price the buyer walks away. Seller can lower price or sit on it till it rots. Demanding Central Planners to force owners of materials to sell at less than real time value is robbery/theft of real money. This is the basic tenant of socialism.
 

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I am doing my best to avoid these political issues in non political forums, but I cannot help myself here.

Price gouging is too loosely a term applied now days as it does not become subject of prosecution unless it occurs on goods and services during a national crisis or emergency.

It would be highly unlikely the increases on prices to the public for primers would be subject to any prosecution or legal action. As long as ammunition demands for the military and law enforcement are fulfilled, we the public are SOL.

Now if the subject were price gouging on hand sanitizer or cotton face masks, then yes, you would see injunctions, arrests and criminal prosecution. You will not see it on shortages of primers. It does not fit the definition of gouging.

The general public is not going to agree there is an ammunition shortage as long as you have at least one full box of ammunition sitting at home. People are more concerned about the price of eggs, bacon, fresh meat and gasoline to worry about our silly notions of primer prices.
 

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I guess a merchant has two choices.

If a merchant #1 maintains the normal historical price for an item, this inventory will be purchased by hoarders to pack away or flippers who list the items for very high prices while demand is high. The result is consumer is angry at merchant #1 for having bare shelves.

Merchant #2 lists the items for a higher cost. This reduces the urgency to hoard. The merchant now has reason for consumers to visit the store but risks angering long term customers due to the high prices.

Looks like merchants can’t win and this is a no win scenario.

Our local Farm and Fleet store seems to allow employees to set aside a box or two of ammunition for employees to purchase. By keeping prices low it seems Joe Public is in a tough spot until we get through these supply chain issues.

This is a temporary thing. Things seem to be getting more available in the past couple months. Seems like we are digging our way out of this hole.


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