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In NYC now, if the cops shoot at you, miss and hit innocent bystanders, YOU will be charged with assaulting them, even if you are unarmed.

This is the ultimate in the cops not being held responsible for shooting innocent bystanders.

A new low in Orwellian logic and lack of police responsibility for their actions.
 

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Interesting interview with NYC Police Commish Kelly in the new Playboy.
 

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Unarmed Man Goes On Shooting Rampage<br>
By Mark Steyn<br>
December 6, 2013 7:23 AM<br>

A mentally disturbed man is wandering through traffic outside New York’s Port Authority Bus Terminal. Naturally, the NYPD open fire. They miss the guy. However, the sidewalks being full of people, they manage to hit two female pedestrians, one of them already using a walker, which comes in handy when the coppers shoot you in the leg.

So the DA charges the guy with assaulting the women:

“The defendant is the one that created the situation that injured innocent bystanders,” said an assistant district attorney, Shannon Lucey.

Ah, yes: the “situation” injured the innocent bystanders. If you outlaw guns, only situations will have guns.

The defendant is looking at 25 years in jail for the crime of provoking law enforcement into shooting random citizens. If this flies in New York, then there is no law.
 

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I believe the term is "transferred responsibility". It's the same concept as when two people commit a crime, and one of them is killed in the process. The survivor is charged with murder of the dead guy.

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If the guy is mental then, by definition, he is not responsible for his actions. Sheesh. May be that the DA ought to read the damn law. If the guy is not responsible then how can there be any "Transferred Responsibility"? Or are you saying that the stupidity of the cops gets transferred onto whoever the stupid cops say it is transferred on to?

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Ever notice how intensely the police "investigate the facts to clear an officer in an officer related shooting" but there are plenty of cold case files. Plus most of the reasons for justifying the officers actions would land others in jail.
 

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RE: officer related shooting

Would you expect other wise?

Before anything was a fact the far left would be calling them killers, over acted, fired to many shots.

And what the hell is this "justifying the officers actions would land others in jail"

Guess you never worked the streets or you wouldn't be making comments like that. Ever have a gun aimed at you or someone pull a knife on you, or just you against some punk high on drugs?
 

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So if a legally armed citizen, in danger of losing his life to an attacker, shoots at his attacker and misses, striking an innocent bystander, will the attacker be charged with shooting the innocent bystander and not the legally armed citizen?
 

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This is asinine. Cops shooting at an unarmed man, miss and they hit bystanders and they are going to charge the unarmed man with a shooting? WTF?

Wouldn't that be like some deer hunter coming into your neighborhood shooting at a deer missing and the bullet goes through somebody's house and kills them. Then the cop/game warden doesn't go after the hunter but instead goes after the deer???

And we wonder why the country is going to hell?
 

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The perp may, or may not, be insane. His insanity may not even be a consideration, if it's proven that he knew right from wrong at the time of the crime.


Bisi, the hunter would be held responsible. The deer has no rights, since it is incapable of mutually recognizing the hunter's rights. Animals, by their nature, have no rights.

Transferred responsibility is "black letter" law in the U.S., and it's been that way for years. A third party injured or killed during a shoot out between good guys and bad guys, wouldn't have been injured or killed had not the perpetrators committed a crime. However, the good guys may not escape some type of criminal or civil punishment if it's proven that they acted recklessly. A civil law suit may be found for the injured party even if no criminal charges are attached.

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If cops get a pass with "transferred responsibility" then so should legally armed citizens.
 
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