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Does anyone know (or remember) when federal introduced the plastic champion II shell? I have come into possession of a full box and remember shooting some in teh early 70's. Thanks Okieshootist (David H)
 

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They are in my Lyman first edition manual, have to say late 60's or 71-72. Federal's rsponse to the AA.

They are like a AA in shape, and take the same loads. I had a Barrel full from the 76 Grand, used them all up.

Rich looking, maroon with gold letters.

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I still have almost a full case of the commemorative ones from the 1976 Grand, celebrating the Bi-centenial. They are the ones with the gold Liberty Bell on them. As I recall, they used a wad, similar to the 12C-1, but it had a darker base.

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okie, Iam going to say around 68 or 69.

Ed, you are correct on the wad in that it was very similar and called the 12C2 with a black base instead of reddish. I have some of those 76 ones lying around also.
 

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Did they have a separation problem (tube from the brass) or am I thinking of Blue Magics?

I still have some; LOVE that color but hey I'm a redhead anyways.
 

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Later on when they changed from the 12C-2, they used the 12S-1, commonly called the pushin cusion. That was the was they released for reloading. It had a much smaller diameter base because of the extreme taper of the hull. These wads work great in the new HS-AA. BRGII
 

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Here's a pic of what they looked like. They used a wad called the "12C2" which was just like like the 12C1 used in paper shells, but had a black base rather than maroon, and was made for the tapered wall hull of the Champion II rather than straight wall of the paper. ....Rick





 
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