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Some facts and figures from my 1954 ATA average Book.

There were 29 shooters who shot 4,000 or more handicap targets. Arnold Riegger

was high with .9353. Second high was Dan Orlich with .9089. Combined average of

the 29 was .8676. 29th high was .7935. Only 3 averaged 90 or higher on 4,000 +

targets. Julius Petty was high on 1500 targets with .9406 from the 25. Al

Ljutic was 2nd. high on 1,500--to 2,000 with.9363. Women with 3,000 and over,4

shooters high .8861 ave. of the 4 .8724. Professionals with 2,000 or more 4 with

high .9129. GAH was won once from the back fence(25 yd.) As of 1954 GAH won 5

times with 100 straight out of 54 years. Prelim. hdc never won from the back

fence. 3 shooters broke 200 straight in the Clay Target Championship won by

Julius Petty who broke 25 more in the shootoff. A new World's record of 995 x

1000. Bob Allen won the HOA with 975x1000. Arnold Riegger broke 400 targets without a miss at Elko,NV,this was singles, handicap & doubles. More later.
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No tricked out guns,no souped up shells,they were2-3/4 dram [email protected] 1145 fps or 3 dram eq. at 1200 fps.-no plastic wads- 3 hole targets-no magnum shot.Hand pulled targets. Big names did not win all the money. The back fence shooters(25 yd at that time) did not dominate like (27) do now. The little guy would play more options cause he knew he had a fair chance to make some money. 49 & 50 paid good as did 25's. This was handicap shooting, not the honorary,perfect shooting of today.

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I knew a target setter that could knock your average down into the '80s if they could have somehow let him feed all four traps. ;-)

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Anyone got shells made in 54'. We need another shell test!

I remember some of the bad pullers. Most were kids that couldn't/wouldn't pay attention. Didn't blame them really. Tough/boring job to pull and score for 8 hours. A bad puller could really screw up a fast shooting handicap squad.
 

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High doubles averages in 1954-Shooters with 2,000 and over,(10)Arnold Riegger

was high with .9460. Average for the 10 was .8520. Only 2 avg. over 90. Ned

Lilly was high on 500-1,000(800) with .9637. Vic Reinders averaged .9388 with

his pump which was 2nd high in 1,000-2,000. High Lady with .8953 was Iva

Pembridge. Shot at most doubles targets,James Rexroat 3,900. No one had broke

a perfect score in the NORTH AMERICAN DOUBLES CHAMPIONSHIPS through 1954. No

Lady had run a perfect score in The Clay Target Championship through 1954. Low

score to win the GAH was 91 @ 22 yds in 1900. 13,909,875 targets were

registered in 1954.

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A few pullers were homeless folks that they would hire. Some quit in the middle of the round. There were pullers that would follow the circuit.It was different in those days.
 

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Not sure Scott. I didn't start till several years later. But I think you are right.

Grunt, I had scorers leave in the middle of a round at the Sparta Grand.

Setterman, I may still have some 50's shells. I'll send them if I can locate them.

Bob L-- R.Thompson of Cainsville.MO broke the first 100 straight at the GAH

@ 19 yards in 1910.

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Doubles of old were shot 15 pair,10 pair then repeat on the next two traps. It certainly made shooting doubles a lot different than todays 25/25 on two traps.

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"As of 1954 GAH won 5 times with 100 straight out of 54 years."

Well Clyde These are the one I found.

1926 Charles A. Young Springfield, OH 23 100

1937 Frank G. Carroll Brecksville, OH 19 100

1949 Pete Donat Antwerp, OH 20 100

1950 Oscar Scheske Jr. Belleville, IL 19 100

So Who owns the fifth one????

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When doubles were first started, the right target was to be shot first. I'm not sure what year the change happened. Some shooters still shoot them right target first. Try it, it makes for a interesting round.

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I didn't see any problem with paper and felt wads. Winchester shells only required on of each and were a cinch to load. They performed fine, too. I had a gun that would pattern 90% with felt wads and soft shot. That was more than I ever needed.
 

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16 yd targets averages were not affected as much in the 1950's. Ned Lilly had

.9876 on 3,000, Arnold Riegger had .9875 on 6,250 targets.

George B. Fisher from Findlay,OH shot at the most 16 yd. targets,10,300

with .9642 av. I shot with the Fisher Bros. in 1957. They sold out to Bill

Jaqua. Many large Calcutta shoots were held at Jaqua's in the 1960's through

1980's. Many all Americans showed up. Frank Little,Leo Harrison, Brad Dysing

er etc. I bought Leo 1 year for $250.00. He broke 89. I was bummed out. He was

just a kid then. He & Brad travelled all over to money shoots

From the testing I've

done, the one piece plastic wad made the biggest difference, especially on handi

cap targets. Watching the top handicap shooters then & now shows much difference

in how hard targets are hit. Clyde
 

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Come on Rick, you were 2 or 3, probably already drank your first beer, cigaret and possibly on your 3rd girl friend……but yet to discover your taste for wine, lmao. Scott
 
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