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I do not shoot ATA but I use an L.C. Smith Pigeon grade from 1895, I also have A Parker VHE Trap model With Vent Rib, Beavertail Forearm single trigger and ejectors from 1932.
 

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I have an Illinois friend who had a American Arms Co. make him a replica Winchester Mod. 21 with modern rib and stock dimensions and other trapshooting features incorporated. He shoots dubs with it ... and well.
 

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Once upon a time I shot trap with a sxs. A Winchester model 24 with 30 inch barrels, full/mod. I added weight and taped on a higher comb and shot it really well. The triggers in that gun was faster than my P gun!

I also harvested deer, grouse, pheasants and quail with it also!

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Sure do: Arizaga 20 ga sidelock in full and fuller

Hammers them and has people drooling

Beretta 410E in 12 ga also works well

I can't blame the gun for my errors

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Some of the best trapshooters who ever lived shot SxS field guns

...and some didn't even put their head on the stock (that's one way to make a gun shoot high!)

-Gary


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I use to use an aya matador heavy 3inch mag duck with 32 inch barrels choked full&
fuller it weighs 11 lbs. 4 ozs. never had a recoil problem with that much weight
but I never shot over 96 with it either.
 

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Gary's pic is E.D. Fulford, winner of the 1898 GAH at Live Birds using a Remington Hammerless.

TRAP FACTS FROM FULFORD

The first requisite for a successful trap shot is a good, level head and the power to govern himself if possessed of a nervous temperament: remembering at all times if one can’t control his temper he can’t control his gun. I want to see a man call "pull" twenty times, if necessary, when the traps are working badly, with" a smile on his face, and then break the target when it does fly. If a man speaks to you while shooting make the best of it; If a foreign substance or smoke blows into your eye make the best of it; If a target flies out of its natural course, or is not a fair bird, don’t shoot; if you do and miss it, offer no excuse whatever, as you will only be laughed at.

A gun with two sets of barrels, both the same length and weight, is to be recommended. Have trap set bored to shoot 70 per -cent, of load in a 30-inch circle, at 40 yards. Have field set with right barrel cylinder and left barrel modified choke. Get a gun with drop and cast-off that fits you, and one that you can hit the objects with. The average man needs about 2 3/4 inches drop at butt, 1 1/2 inches drop at comb, 14 1/4 inches long, full pistol grip, weight 7 1/2 to 8 pounds. The Remington Arms Company without doubt or question produce the best and strongest gun for the money made in the world to-day.

I consider the U. M. C. shell the best. I know nothing about any powder but Schultze and believe it the best nitro powder made. For a target load use 2 3/4 to 3 drams, wadded with a split salmon No. 11 two pink-edge. No. 11 and 1 1/4 ounces No. 7 chilled shot, in 2 3/4 inch Trap or Smokeless case. For live birds use 45 to 50 grains, wadded with one split salmon No. 11. two pink-edge. No. 11, 1 1/4 ounces No. 7 and 1 3/16 ounces No. 6 chilled shot, in 2 3/4 inch case. You can make no mistake in using the above loads for trap shooting of the present clay. Always use a wad one size larger than the gauge of your gun: the latter is very important in any gun.

Shot traveling at the rate of 900 feet per second requires one-sixth of a second to go 50 yards, one-eighth of a second to go 40-yards, one-tenth of. a second to go 30 yards, and one-fifteenth of a second to go 20 yards. An object moving at the rate of 30 miles an hour goes 4 1/2 feet while the shot travels 40 yards: an object moving at the rate of 60 miles an hour goes 9 feet while the shot is traveling 40 yards; an object moving at the rate of 120 miles an hour goes 18 feet while the shot is traveling 40 yards. Therefore, in order to make a junction of your shot and target, you must learn to time the distance, move your gun just as fast as the object – no faster and no slower – and don’t stop the motion of your gun when you pull the trigger.

A great many are of the opinion that each man shoots with a different system, but such is not the case. It may be so with the poorer class of shooters, but with the best shots of America all shoot so near alike, or know where to aim, that there is one grand-standard. It often takes years to find the right place. Different men take different ways, but the result is always the same. The position of the gun should be a free and easy one, with left arm extended so there is a slight bend at the elbow; the butt should be dropped 2 1/2 inches or more from the face, and never, never hold your gun glued to your shoulder.

A beginner should get a pair of shells known as "snaps," which have a spring in the primer hole, and it does not hurt the hammers to snap them. Placing the gun to your shoulder before a (mirror) and snapping at an object, several yards away, the instant it strikes your shoulder is almost as good practice as the real shooting. The novice should study his position, because the centre of gravity has as much to do with good shooting as anything else. Learn to get in the strongest position possible when your gun goes off - not when it starts - and always have a little force in reserve, so when you get a fast quarterer you can push the gun further in front with ease and control it’s motion.
 

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I've shot a few 25's but haven't competed (at trap) with Big Ann. I have shot my best international wobble scores with this gun from a gun down start. A 1926 Fox, 8.25 lbs, 32" choked .024/.024. I don't know how many rounds it fired the first 90 years of its life, but it's gone through 40,000 rounds since I stocked it 5 years ago with very little wear and tear.


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Mark Arie was the first shooter to run 100 straight doubles from scratch when he broke the first 163 in a 200-bird race at the Great Western Handicap at the Denver Municipal TC on July 18, 1926

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He used his Marlin Model 43 to take the Gold at the 1920 Olympics; Frank Troeh with a Smith was 2nd.
 

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I used to shoot a few rounds of trap and skeet with my 21 but the recoil, even with 1oz. loads wasn't fun.

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Isn't that century-old trapshooting stuff cool? I'd like to hop in a time machine and go back to that era and shoot for a while. This 1926 YouTube video is probably the closest we can come to experiencing that golden age of trapshooting, outdoorsmanship and authentic Americanism. Obviously I wasn't there, but I still miss it? Does that make sense?

-Gary
 

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Few of us would want to shoot in suit & tie, but there was a sense of propriety in dress and behavior

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World's Record Trapshooting Squad. Record 497 out of 500. July 4th, 1915, Maplewood Club in the White Mountains, New Hampshire. A.G. King - 99, Ralph Spotts - 100, Chas. Newcombe - 99, A.B. Richardson - 99, Fred Plum - 100.
At least a couple of the dapper fellas look to be holding SBTs rather than SxSs

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It should be noted that most of the turn-of-the-century top guns did go to SBTs and Repeaters

Fred Gilbert went to a Parker SBT

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W.R. Crosby, Neaf Apgar, "Sparrow" Young (winning the 1926 GAH) to Ithaca SBTs

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William Herr changed to a Remington Pump and Rolla Heikes to a Remington Autoloading Shotgun. Frank Troeh and a bunch of others to Model 12s.
 
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