Just to set the record straight about the blow up of the k-80 and regarding the shooter Lou Toth my name is Allan Hunter. I was the lead off shooter on the squad along with my wife, daughter and father in law.My wife Debra was along side of Lou when his gun exploded. Fortunately no one else was hurt on the squad. After reading some of the threads posted on this site I felt compelled to sign up and set the record straight. There was a sixth person involved who was standing behind post three at the time of the blowup his purpose was to move my father in law from post to post who was shooting from a wheel chair at the time because of a broken ankle. Tony was the only person who had some flying parts or part hit his hat fortunately he remained unhurt as well. We were all very lucky and shaken by the incident. Lou is an avid shooter and has been shooting for about 12 years The K-80 of topic was purchased new maintained and in excellent shape. ( well was) After examining the gun or what was left of it Im not sure what was to blame we can only assume and we all know what happens when people assume don't we. But any way the initial explosion sounded like a small cannon going off. Ive heard double loads go off before but this was much louder and much more explosive if you may. The shell was indeed a AA I do not believe the base wad had any thing to do with it. The shell was found also parts of the base wad. The back end of shell showing that it was a AA was the only thing left of the brass or what ever winchester uses these days. The brunt of explosion was at he base of the chamber and then blew sideways the side plates were found left side about 20 ft away and the right side a little further away to the right. Now im not a munitions expert but I dont think a single load of powder would do this extensive of damage. The barrel was separated from the rib and opened up like peeled banana curling down towards the the muzzle for about a good 6 inches. The base of the receiver was non existent could not be found. The two ejector rods were sticking out and bent out ward both exactly the same way. pieces of the receiver were found as far as forty feet away between the next trap and to the right of the trap we were on. Now the plastic part of the shell (hull) well there wasnt too much left. It was split in two length ways. and not all of it was there. Getting back to the base wad I think it was where it was suppose to be. The way that this exploded and the fact that there was melted lead in front of the chamber may indicate no wad was an issue and if this is the case it was very unfortunate mistake because Lou has been reloading for many years and if ever has loader problems always asks or removes any shell he isnt sure about and cuts them open .So now comes the question of how to get perhaps a double load of powder and no wad and enough shot to fill the shell and get a good crimp. I myself use a PW and would find it very difficult to accomplish the above scenario with out some type obvious loader foul up. I visited Lou this morning and he cant remember any loader problems. He is scheduled for surgery Wednesday the 24th to have a plate and screws in his wrist Other than that the other wounds are repairable and he should make a full recovery if all goes well. Thanks Allan Hunter