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The Remington Hammerless Raises Records

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Drew Hause, Nov 21, 2014.

  1. Drew Hause

    Drew Hause Well-Known Member

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    In 1888, Remington Arms Co. was purchased by Marcus Hartley and Partners which owned the Union Metallic Cartridge Co. U.M.C. heavily promoted its ammunition to Live Bird and Inanimate Target shooters and had an impressive number of G.A.H. wins: 1893 - R. A. Welch, 1894 - T. W. Morfey, 1895 – J. G. Messner, 1897 - T.A. Marshall, 1898 - E.D. Fulford, 1899 - T.A. Marshall, 1900 - H.D. Bates, 1900 at Targets - R.O. Heikes, 1903 - M. Diefenderfer, 1904 - R.D. Guptill

    Col. A.G. Courtney represented Lefever for 12 years before joining Hartley & Graham as a Remington Rep in 1897
    http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1897/VOL_29_NO_06/SL2906026.pdf

    In 1899, Harvey McMurchy (Hunter Arms) likely traveled through the West with both Col. Courtney and S.A. Tucker (Parker)

    Harvey McMurchy and Col. A.G. Courtney, two popular gun salesmen, attended a holiday shoot at Kansas City Feb. 22, 1899. In a live-bird sweep each killed 14 out of 15. Both did well in the target events.

    For more information see “Trapshooting Trade”
    Trapshooting Trade & Ads

    The Remington Hammerless Shotgun (Model of 1894) was introduced the same year as the Parker AAH Pigeon Gun, a year after the L.C. Smith Pigeon Gun.
    An extensive discussion of Remington 1894 Hammerless can be found
    Model 1894 Remington Year of production and grade - The DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com

    (All catalog images courtesy of David Noreen)

    In 1902 the Remington Arms catalog listed the "Pigeon Gun" in C.E., D.E. & E.E.

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    Price comparisons from the 1902 Pacific Hardware & Steel Co., San Francisco, CA catalog
    ................Parker..................L.C. Smith..............Remington
    $70..............VH.........................No. OE ($60).......BO ($75)
    $80..............GH.........................No. 2....................BEO
    $100.............DH........................No. 3....................CE ($95)
    $150.............CH.........................No. 4....................D
    $200............BH.........................No. 5....................E ($225)
    (AE on Smith No.2 - No. 5 guns add $15)

    1903-1905 "Trap Gun" in C.E.O., D.E.O. & E.E.O.

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    1906 Hammerless "Trap" Gun in C.E.O. & F.E.

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    The first GAH win for a Remington Hammerless was in the hands of E.D. Fulford in 1898
    http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1898/VOL_31_NO_02/SL3102017.pdf

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    Guns used: Parker- 56, Smith- 42, Greener- 20, Francotte- 17, Remington- 11, Cashmore- 9, Lefever- 8, Scott- 8, Daly- 6, Winchester- 5, Colt- 4, Purdey- 2, Richards- 2, Churchill, Baker, Hollenbeck, Forehand and Stannard- 1 each.

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    1899 Grand American Handicap at Live Birds
    Guns used: Parker- 78, Smith- 56, Greener- 31, Francotte- 24, Winchester- 12, Remington- 11, Cashmore- 10, Lefever- 6, Purdey- 5, Scott- 6, Colt- 4, Daly- 3, Stannard- 3, Boss- 2, Richards- 2, Baker- 2, Forehand, Syracuse, Clabrough, Renette, Abbey, Spencer & Webley- 1 each.
    Remington Shooters: R.O. Heikes, Col. A.G. Courtney, Frank Parmelee, B. Le Roy (Remington, DuPont and U.M.C.) E.D. Fulford, George Roll, Captain J. A. H. Dressel (U.M.C. and president of the Interstate Association)

    In 1899, Rolla Heikes used his Remington Hammerless to defeat E.D. Fulford for the “E.C.” Cup in January and won the Sportsmen’s Association Championship Trophy in the trapshooting tournament held on the roof of the Madison Square Garden in March.

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    He used a Parker at the 1900 GAH at Live Birds, then went back to his Remington to win the first Grand American at Clay Targets held at Interstate Park in New York City June 12-15, 1900.
    Guns used: Parker- 27, Smith- 13, Remington- 7, Winchester- 9, Greener- 4, Lefever- 3, Scott, Purdey, Marlin- 2 each, Young Repeater, Cashmore, Baker, Richards, Daly, Francotte- 1 each.

    Heikes was part of the victorious American team in the June 1901 Anglo-American Clay Bird Match using a Parker. He started 1902 shooting a new Remington single trigger hammerless. In 1905 he began shooting a Remington Autoloading Shotgun (later the Model 11) which was first cataloged in 1906.

    W.H. Heer used a Remington C.E.O. hammerless but switched to a Remington Pump prior to the 1912 GAH.

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    The 1904 Touring U.M.C. Squad included R.O. Heikes, C.W. Budd, J.L. Head. T.E Hubby, W.H. Heer, J.T. Anthony, F.C. Riehl and E.D. Fulford. T.A. Marshall, Captain, was assisted by Frank Butler and they shot in 65 Southern Cities.
    The first five, all using Remington CEO hammerless shotguns, broke the five-man squad world's record by a score of 488X500 at Palestine, Texas.

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    U.M.C. and Remington Companies Trade Representatives at the 1907 GAH
    A.C. Barrell, Rolla Heikes, F.C. Riehl, J.L.D. Morrison, C.B. Adams, George Maxwell. H.H. Stevens, Marshall Sharpe, Frank Butler, W.H. Heer, Colonel Anthony, Tom Marshall, H.J. Jackson and J.A. Anderson.

    Remington abandoned the double gun market in February 1910 when the company’s entire inventory of breech loading shotguns and parts were sold to Norvell-Shapleigh Hardware Co. (St. Louis), successor to Shapleigh Hardware. The Company continued to promote U.M.C. ammunition, the Remington Pump Shotgun, and the Remington Autoloading Shotgun which was used by Jeff Blanks to win the 1907 GAH and Fred Harlow the 1908 GAH.

    In 1912, Marcellus Hartley Dodge combined Remington and U.M.C. into a single entity, called Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co. That same year a Remington Pump was used by W.E. Phillips to win the GAH and Jay Graham to take Gold at the 1912 Olympic games.
     
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  2. Drew Hause

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    Possibly the only photographic image of E.D. Fulford; Watson's Park, Chicago Dec. 1897
    Sports Afield Vol. 20 No. 1 Jan., 1898
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  3. colonel klink

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    I have a Remington hammerless sidexside but mine is a field grade 28 inch bbls & it has steel not Damascus barrels. I drag it out once in a while for a round of skeet just for the fun of it. Neat old gun. Colonel
     
  4. Drew Hause

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    This is David Noreen's short version of the Remington Hammerless Double

    Two patents were issued on the same day, October 30, 1894. No. 528,507 pertaining to the milling of the frame was granted to R. C. Fay of Ilion, New York, assignor to the Remington Arms Company of same place; and No. 528,508 pertaining to the automatic ejectors, to R.C. Fay and G.E. Humphreys of Ilion, New York, assignor to the Remington Arms Company of same place.

    If the gun is absolutely plain with no engraving, just "Remington Arms Co." stamped on the side of the frame it is an A-grade if a Model 1894. Model 1894 serial numbers were in the 100,000 range and often preceded by a P a Remington stock letter. Also perfectly plain was the lower priced Model 1900 with serial numbers in the 300,000 range, and often a stock letter of Q. These were also known as the K-grade.

    A Model 1894 B-grade had just a bit of borderline engraving. As the grades went up C-, D-, and E-grade the engraving became more extensive, the stock wood and checkering finer, and the overall workmanship better. There is normally a grade letter stamped on the left side watertable, or on "bridge-frame guns" (usually 103,500 and lower serial numbers) on the bridge. Also, if you remove the trigger guard, the grade letter is often stamped in the wood after the serial number.

    If a Remington Model 1894 is fitted with automatic ejectors the the written grade designation has a letter E added to it and if it has Remington Steel barrels an R or Ordnance Steel Barrels an O -- AE-grade (A-grade with ejectors and the regular Damascus barrels), AER-grade (A-grade with ejectors and Remington Steel barrels), BO-grade (B-grade with Ordnance Steel barrels) or CEO-grade (C-grade with ejectors and Ordnance Steel barrels). I’ve never seen these extra letters stamped on the gun’s watertable.

    In the Model 1900s things are reversed. Remington must have considered their Remington Steel barrels standard and appended a D if the gun was equipped with 2-blade Damascus barrels -- KD-grade or KED-grade. "Ordnance Steel" is normally stamped on the top of the barrels on AO-/AEO- and BO-/BEO-Grade Remington doubles and engraved on higher grades.

    By the end of the first decade of the 20th Century, Remington saw that the future laid with their John M. Browning designed Remington Autoloading Gun (later known as the Model 11) and their John D. Pedersen designed Remington Repeating Shotgun (later known as the Model 10). So, they concluded a deal with Norvell-Shapleigh Hardware Co. of St Louis, for their entire inventory of break-action shotguns in inventory and in process, on February 3, 1910. There must have been a lot of guns involved, because the records show 3206 Model 1894s, and 16435 Model 1900s shipped in 1910. The 1909 Remington Arms Co. catalogue was the last one to include the doubles, and there was a version of the 1909 catalogue that only had the Remington Autoloading Shotgun, the Remington Repeating Shotgun, and the Autoloading Repeating Rifle.
     
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    After reading these articles I went back & looked at my gun. Surprise, I don't have an 1894. Mine is serial # 346,xxx which makes it a model 1900 not an 1894. The 2 models do look identical but serial #'s tell the tale. Colonel
     
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    I had a 1900 F&F 32" ordnance steel barrels, single trigger with non existent bluing. The way they stocked those from the factory they had huge drop at heel & comb. Not ideal for me to shoot.
    They were more of the everymans shooter than the 1894.
    The 1894 has a better classic look too.
    Tough to find a single trigger non Damascus barrel to shoot today.
    When you do you will pay a premium.
     
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    Old guns are interesting and always have a good story. Wish I had some old SXS. All I have is Grandpa's old 1896 Marlin and my 1897 Winchester. The story's behind them are great. Grandpa was one of Teddy's Rough Riders. Grandpa is gone now, but the stories live on.
     
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    100599214_50_AE80853AD64DACDF.jpg Unrestored 1894 BE with Damascus barrels. 100599214_50_AE805B476EA92ADB.jpg
     
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    Restored 1894 BE with case coloring and looks like steel barrels. 100626982_1167_517FFB2A818B6E93.jpg 100626982_1167_C9D7D23181FA588E.jpg
     
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    Remington offered spectacular Damascus patterns for the Hammerless Model of 1894
    Remington Damascus

    and engraving. The pattern is "Ohonen 6 S.J."

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    A MAGNIFICENT AND RARE 1894 EE.
     
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    That's another interesting pattern Remington called "Pieper P." Refinished by Brad Bachelder


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    Probably made by one of these folks - Henri Pieper Brazil Barrel Works

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    THANK YOU for a very informative and interesting read. Never shot a Remmy dbl but I love to look.
    ML Johnson
     
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    When men were MEN and most women were LADIES!!!! and they had separate bathrooms.

    Thanks for the EXCELLENT post!!!
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    Here you go Jim; Ladies Day at the Pahquioque Rod & Gun Club Danbury, Conn. August 15, 1915

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    Looked in the back of the closet....... serial number 126770 lives there..... I see the letter B stamped in a couple places and the barrel appears to be Damascus. It has auto ejectors and fairly nice wood but Grandpa took the gun everywhere and shot a lot , the checkering is well worn...... I also have his 1897. If only they could talk. Larry
     
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    Most of those babies were stocked substantially lower than our guns today. No cheek bones resting on the comb in those days.
     
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    Interesting. Always like to read about those days.
     
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    After reviewing some of Drew's information it appears my gun has the Oxford 2 sj pattern but that is not marked anywhere. There is a "P" with an extra littlecurl on the bottom on both barrels and also a B with /// on both barrels....... Is there ever a lot of information in the links given above... It stated that Remington barrels were all proofed with "Nitro" loads....... interesting........ Larry
     
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