It would be much better for scores if we could throw targets with ALL face showing thrown to 48 or so yards, less would be easier. As if less angle wasn't enough to make target presentations easier, we now figure out how to make the targets bigger also! Maybe round clay balls at 4-1/4 inches in diameter would increase scores also?
More target face was a favorite of target managers for helping shooters attain their grand slams. What's next on the target manipulating agenda for even better scores?
Our rule says legal height targets are between 8-10 feet high at 10 yards from the trap. Monkeyed with more face clays are usually much higher than the rule allows and shorter also? A short while back I shot some 16 foot high targets and so did everyone else and that's a shame to our rule book. A high score on fixed targets today can't be compared to the shooters scores of old! We're skewing our shooting history again and that just isn't right!
I get a real kick out of these "more face" presentations. There is no magic, it is simply a matter of raising or lowering the launch angle, period. If you are putting more face on a target from a given trap you are increasing it's height at the stake, all other things being equal.
Want more face, that means you want a higher target. If you are really having a problem, maybe your trap is setting too hign in the house.
Let me see if I understand you-Hap-Mec-Tweaks--The Silver Dollar,Sparta as well as the Cardinal Center throw targets that are not correct because their presentations show more target face than I can achieve. And furthermore the good target presentations are achieved by raising the "height"? (870)--Well not according to the people at Pat Trap.Before you mouth off here when you know not what you are talking about do some inquiring to get the real answers as I did today by making some phone calls to those that really know how to set angles and target heights accordingly.--Dennis Mastrolia.
Dennis, Your answers are above. Now it sounds as though you have spoken with PAT to see what they recommend for the machine height. To get more face, it's raise the target or lower the trap. Not all machines require the same height in the house. As I recall we had to cut our bases for the two PAT's. For the Star's it was just removing the old 2x12 plank that were under the handsets. As you know from your other club, 9'-3" to 9'-6" throws a decent target.
Also your black rimmed taget appears different and takes a little getting used to.
If you've become that active down there then we hope to get some time up here this Summer.
Enjoy, the snow is going to be a long time leaving this year. Bob
Edit--BTW--Thank you for the laughs-this thread has potential.
It is simple physics. More face can only result from a higher target. Period. You can only accomplish this by raising the launch angle. If you want to fool youself, you can put your trap lower and raise the height so it hits the same height spot as before at 10 yards, but you are still throwing a higher target. I do not believe that trap machines can vary the angle of attack of the target.
If other clubs are getting more face on a target at 10 yards than you can achieve, the problem is most likely with the placement of the trap in the house.
Dennis, I too have shot targets at two of the clubs you mentioned also. Sparta and the Cardinal. The targets at Sparta were higher than the Cardinal last August when I shot those clubs. Any targets set higher than the 10 foot limit(according to our rule book) is beyond the bounds of the rule? I don't care who says different either.
This target height matter is no different than than the cheating that took place to change the rule to an easier angle a few years back, hardly anyone tried to enforce that rule either? When we change the geometry of launch for more face, how do we keep the targets at legal heights in accordance to what the rules say? Your club probably uses or used the target pole for elevation and can't get the kind of target presentations offered at other clubs? I do speak my mind and when I feel our sport is being cheated by any method or anybody and will continue till proven wrong! That hasn't been done with a call to Pat Traps either.
Even Tron'ster couldn't cast for these results. I thought there was potential here. I don't want to remind you about the radar gun Dennis, you know I'm a believer in them--Ahhh, if it's a good one--used properly? Bob
Assuming your Pat Trap is mounted at the correct height inside the house the only way you can set it to show more "face" is to raise the elevation. Then in order to throw the target at between 8' & 10' ten yards out from point "B" is to back off the spring. Either way you're no longer throwing a LEGAL target, you'll either be too high or too slow or both.
Maybe your Pat Trap is mounted too high in the house?
In the interests of civility I'll disregard your comment about "falling off the horse".
"it would reduce the cost of targets for shooters and clubs, cause fewer 100's, be cheaper than adding 3 feet of concrete to quiet the calls for leveling the playing field and the call for limiting shells to 7/8 and 1 OZ loads."
Respectfully not one word of this quote has anything to do with target presentation.
Claybuster said the solution! Throw all orange targets, rim and all. They look like orange watermelons rotating through the air. Plus when the sun is setting, or when under the lights, you see much more target. These also should be used when the background is not open sky. If you are trying to expose more surface of the target, that is not legal. Then you may as well throw hollow round clay balls out there.