The attempt is to get a conservative NRA member to show up so they can say "we represent the vast majority, even conservatives". They will also gladly take any money you will provide to further their agenda. Don't ever believe you will influence a Democrat to vote for issues that favor gun owners, because once the party caucus beats their members into submission they all vote as instructed and care for nothing their constituents elected them to do. Lyle
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I received an invite from my Congressman to a trap shoot/fundraiser at a private range in the wine country yesterday. it's not everyday you get a hand written invite to go shoot trap with your congressman.... even if it wasn't his handwriting. In the name of full disclosure, I didn't nor would I ever vote for this guy, he's a Dem.
So, do I;
- Appreciate the honor of the invite, go, enjoy and contribute to the Dem's re-election campaign fund and hob-knob so I can tell the grandkids one day?
- Pay the entry, expense it to work, expect to get some face time with the Congressman and accept the challenge of single handedly changing his and the entire Dem party's position on gun control at this event?
- Reluctantly pay the entry, intentionaly not enjoy the day just to spite him?
- Pay the entry/fund raising fee, Whoop the Congressman's ass in trap and post pix here for everyone to ridicule the congressman on how bad a shot he is.
- Not go, send a letter telling him I see through his assistant's cheap vailed attempt to sway a conservative NRA member to their mis-guided efforts at gun control? Demand they remove me from their mailing list and never contact me again!
- Pitch the invite, $250 for a day of trap shooting is way to much, especially with a looser Dem Congressman! Forget it ever happened like a bad nightmare.
My significant other said "not only NO, HELL NO, no, no, no you're not going to support that a-hole". So, my principals (and GF) tell me no, but it would be fun to hob-knob, and there is the off chance I may get an opportunity to tell him why his alignment & support of Di-Fi and the rest of the dem power elite on the hill is so mis-guided.
As O'Reily likes to say, "what say you?".
On another note, how the hell would my name end up on an invitation list to a Dem fundraiser shooting event? The NRA wouldn't release a list of members in his district would they? What about the NSSA/NSCA, have they stooped to releasing members home addresses to Dem congressmen? Kind of PO'd he even has the balls to invite me to his private winery trap shoot, then again not every day your congressman invites you over to shoot trap.... I'm conflicted.
I received an invite from my Congressman to a trap shoot/fundraiser at a private range in the wine country yesterday. it's not everyday you get a hand written invite to go shoot trap with your congressman.... even if it wasn't his handwriting. In the name of full disclosure, I didn't nor would I ever vote for this guy, he's a Dem.
So, do I;
- Appreciate the honor of the invite, go, enjoy and contribute to the Dem's re-election campaign fund and hob-knob so I can tell the grandkids one day?
- Pay the entry, expense it to work, expect to get some face time with the Congressman and accept the challenge of single handedly changing his and the entire Dem party's position on gun control at this event?
- Reluctantly pay the entry, intentionaly not enjoy the day just to spite him?
- Pay the entry/fund raising fee, Whoop the Congressman's ass in trap and post pix here for everyone to ridicule the congressman on how bad a shot he is.
- Not go, send a letter telling him I see through his assistant's cheap vailed attempt to sway a conservative NRA member to their mis-guided efforts at gun control? Demand they remove me from their mailing list and never contact me again!
- Pitch the invite, $250 for a day of trap shooting is way to much, especially with a looser Dem Congressman! Forget it ever happened like a bad nightmare.
My significant other said "not only NO, HELL NO, no, no, no you're not going to support that a-hole". So, my principals (and GF) tell me no, but it would be fun to hob-knob, and there is the off chance I may get an opportunity to tell him why his alignment & support of Di-Fi and the rest of the dem power elite on the hill is so mis-guided.
As O'Reily likes to say, "what say you?".
On another note, how the hell would my name end up on an invitation list to a Dem fundraiser shooting event? The NRA wouldn't release a list of members in his district would they? What about the NSSA/NSCA, have they stooped to releasing members home addresses to Dem congressmen? Kind of PO'd he even has the balls to invite me to his private winery trap shoot, then again not every day your congressman invites you over to shoot trap.... I'm conflicted.
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I would go to the event and meet some of the other invitees. You can be fairly assured that folks that attend share your shooting views.
View it as an opportunity to share your view points with others. You may want to think twice about any photo ops, if you are concerned about appearing with a Dem.
All kinds of mail lists are available to anyone. I seriously doubt the NRA or any other non-profit shooting org would share their mail lists. That could be construed as 'political activity'; as we all know by now, non-profits can engage in political activity BUT it can't be more than 50% of what they do. So, why jeopardize your status by sharing / selling mail lists ? They spend their $ and time on other more productive political activity.
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View it as an opportunity to share your view points with others. You may want to think twice about any photo ops, if you are concerned about appearing with a Dem.
All kinds of mail lists are available to anyone. I seriously doubt the NRA or any other non-profit shooting org would share their mail lists. That could be construed as 'political activity'; as we all know by now, non-profits can engage in political activity BUT it can't be more than 50% of what they do. So, why jeopardize your status by sharing / selling mail lists ? They spend their $ and time on other more productive political activity.
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Go and ask him if he understands there is no fundamental difference between an AR15 and a Remington 7400. Ask him if he realizes that the last gun ban proposal banned many ordinary sporting rifles, shotguns and handguns. Ask him if he understands that these laws impact only law-abiding gun owners and do absolutely nothing to control criminals and whackos.
Sure, you will be contributing to him. But in this case, you will have his direct ear. That face time might be well worth the cost of contributing.
Tell him that there are a lot of gun owners out there who have been completely disenfranchised by the anti-gun faction within the Democratic Party. (And this is perfectly true, I know some liberal gun owners who vote pro-gun, and that almost always means supporting the Republican opponent.) Remind him that the Democrats lost big after the 1994 gun ban, and his out of control anti-gun compatriots are setting him and other Dems up to lose not only the house again, but a good chance of losing the senate as well.
Maybe this will be a waste of time. But it may get the gears turning. The best way to make sure anti-gun bills don't pass is to make sure they never get out of committee and onto the floor. If the Dem leadership realizes what is at stake, they might try to rein in their anti-gun faction.
Sure, you will be contributing to him. But in this case, you will have his direct ear. That face time might be well worth the cost of contributing.
Tell him that there are a lot of gun owners out there who have been completely disenfranchised by the anti-gun faction within the Democratic Party. (And this is perfectly true, I know some liberal gun owners who vote pro-gun, and that almost always means supporting the Republican opponent.) Remind him that the Democrats lost big after the 1994 gun ban, and his out of control anti-gun compatriots are setting him and other Dems up to lose not only the house again, but a good chance of losing the senate as well.
Maybe this will be a waste of time. But it may get the gears turning. The best way to make sure anti-gun bills don't pass is to make sure they never get out of committee and onto the floor. If the Dem leadership realizes what is at stake, they might try to rein in their anti-gun faction.
Be honest fer cryinoutloud...just refuse the invitation. Tell him straight up that accepting his invite would imply that you support him and his politics but that neither is the case. You're not intimidated by honesty, are you? My bet is that he didn't plan the affair and doesn't even know who was invited anyway so he won't know you refused.
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If he invited you, then he has plans of benefiting from you. Your invitation does not mean that you will get anything back. Only the Politicians benefit. Bulge.
WOW - typical Dem - what a hypercritic - why would you want to support anyone who belongs to a party that thinks the government knows whats best for you - if you go, you support his parties philosophy, and kick the NRA in the ass - stand up for your principles and respectfully decline - do the right thing!!! JM
How about turning the invite around? Tell him you can't make the event because of a s scheduling conflict but that you would be happy to have him as your guest at a regular club shoot. Of course the invite could only include him since you could only sponsor one guest. He would have to leave his photographer, campaign chairman, PR person and everyone else on his staff behind.
If he does accept, you and your club's members would get a chance to one-on-one with him. If he does not accept, which I expect will be the case, you know where you stand with him and what he wants from you.
If he does accept, you and your club's members would get a chance to one-on-one with him. If he does not accept, which I expect will be the case, you know where you stand with him and what he wants from you.
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I agree with Bulge, he has something up his sleeve besides hospitality.
However, it might be interesting, may learn some new reasons on how liberals think.
Regards......Gerald
However, it might be interesting, may learn some new reasons on how liberals think.
Regards......Gerald
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All interesting ideas.
You are going to catch a lot more flies with honey. If we want to change the attitudes and ideas, we can't pee in their boots. This is an opportunity to meet, discuss, and learn as well as educate. I would take full advantage of it.
PM me to discuss further - I have a similar situation, and it might offer guidance.
You are going to catch a lot more flies with honey. If we want to change the attitudes and ideas, we can't pee in their boots. This is an opportunity to meet, discuss, and learn as well as educate. I would take full advantage of it.
PM me to discuss further - I have a similar situation, and it might offer guidance.
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As you wrote:
- Pay the entry, expense it to work, expect to get some face time with the Congressman and accept the challenge of single handedly changing his and the entire Dem party's position on gun control at this event?
Best plan on this thread.
As you wrote:
- Pay the entry, expense it to work, expect to get some face time with the Congressman and accept the challenge of single handedly changing his and the entire Dem party's position on gun control at this event?
Best plan on this thread.
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1. Write back and ask the guy if he's really a Democrat or just another Lib Socialist.
2. Somehow "crash" the party just enough to see how many attended. That way when it's shown on TV and they mention "hundreds (thousands) of attendees", you'll know it's the same ol' main stream media BS again.
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2. Somehow "crash" the party just enough to see how many attended. That way when it's shown on TV and they mention "hundreds (thousands) of attendees", you'll know it's the same ol' main stream media BS again.
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Wow... some really short-sighted opinions here...
A Democrat can be Pro-Gun and Moderate. If the politician has gone to the effort to have this type of event and promote his candidacy fundraising using a shooting sports event - that should speak to the issue.
Check his past credentials... you can always put his feet to fire later and condemn his future votes as a Judas, but just maybe he deserves your consideration...
If the Republican candidate is a RINO... what do you have to lose? If you are truly supportive of your existing representation, then don't crap on that relationship, by considering this one...
You only have your integrity!
Jay
A Democrat can be Pro-Gun and Moderate. If the politician has gone to the effort to have this type of event and promote his candidacy fundraising using a shooting sports event - that should speak to the issue.
Check his past credentials... you can always put his feet to fire later and condemn his future votes as a Judas, but just maybe he deserves your consideration...
If the Republican candidate is a RINO... what do you have to lose? If you are truly supportive of your existing representation, then don't crap on that relationship, by considering this one...
You only have your integrity!
Jay
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