[Bruce Em]

So what do you define as the

Bear in mind that there are true fundamentals and then there are the techniques to achieve the fundamentals.

I have a pretty good idea and I think the real issue is what are the major techniques to achieve those two fundamentals.

Notice I said "two"; more from me later after we get some discussion going.

best regards

 

[Rollin Oswald]

So what do you define as the

Fundimentals: "principles from which other truths can be derived"

Use a different noun maybe?

Rollin

 

[otnot]

So what do you define as the

Well the truth here is:"Seeing is believing".

 

[grnberetcj]

So what do you define as the

Fundamentals = Breaking a target everytime you squeeze the trigger.

Pretty simple really!!

Curt

 

[Shooting Jack]

So what do you define as the

Fundamentals is what you do to achieve a goal such as breaking that target everytime. Jackie B.

 

[Hap MecTweaks]

So what do you define as the

The first "fundamental" of all shotgunning has to begin with stock fit! Makes no difference in the age of the student, whether it's 10 or 90. Beginning with that fundamental first, other (tricks or short-cuts of the game played) requires a different set of fundamental guidelines to hit a moving target with consistency. It's somewhat of a short-cut to scoring better in a lesser amount of time for a particular game.

(Disclaimer!!) With a shotgun, one can violate ALL the accepted fundamental rules and shoot the lights out while looking weird in his technique to others. This method usually requires a LOT of shots down the barrel though!

Hap

 

[crusha]

So what do you define as the

This thread has great potential to be a string of BS, fer shure.


Fundamentals are the SAME FOR EVERYBODY. If something can vary from person to person according to personal taste, and they still get good results, then it's not really a fundamental.


For example, one local codger teaches people to put their elbow "up," because that's how he does it, and considers it a "fundamental," at least for him. However, another guy shoots with his elbow down, and shoots well, too.


So that ain't a fundamental.


On the other hand...if you forget to put a shell in the chamber...

 

[hmb]

So what do you define as the

The first fundemental is to put a shell in the gun. Nothing else will work if you don't do that first. HMB

 

[crusha]

So what do you define as the

Now see, Lit, there you go...this is exactly why few people in trap can nail down what the fundamentals really are - because there are so many BS artists out there, espousing a "Personal God" notion of shooting fundamentals. "I can't put my ring finger down on the Banjo head just like Earl Scruggs does...so therefore I can't play banjo, because that's a fundamental," etc.


The true fundamentals are actually very small in number, I think...but there's this whole raft of other personal "stylistic" crap that gets heaped on top of it, and it's no wonder newbies can get confused.


Should we wait until after our squadmate polishes his skeet doubles pair, before patting him on the butt? Or may we step up and cop the feel after he hits the low house, while he's reloading his gun? Or is that only if he's someone we really, really like?


But I think we definitely should try to push this thread over the 100 mark...Phil Kiner can probably use the business.

 

[recurvyarcher]

So what do you define as the

Let me try:

1. Consistent mount (including keeping your head in the same place through the shot).

2. Focus hard on each target until it breaks.


Everything else is style and what works for you. But you can't win without the two fundamentals above.

 

[BIGDON]

So what do you define as the

Personally I think Buzz is fundamentally right and then is Lit fundamentally wrong?? I think we need a chart on the fundamentals.

Don

 

[bigdogtx]

So what do you define as the

See the Target. Shoot the Target.

 

[Bruce Em]

So what do you define as the

You guys are killing me, but the lady gets an A.

But wait there's more...

I half expected one of you to tell me spelling was a fundamental.

Target only breaks after you do everything correctly, excluding good results from bad technique. Some people polish bad techniques to achieve their good results but then fail miserably at a slightly different game.

So lets think a bit more ...
How about "pointing"?

How about "pulling" (trigger)

How about executing pointing and pulling at the same time (parallel process) instead of stopping the gun to fire the trigger (serial process).

How about follow through?

 

[ivanhoe]

So what do you define as the

The Literalist

"Now you have an excuse for being ornery...you're old as dirt and naturally cranky. Him? No excuse."

Denny you have it wrong again. He is not old as dirt. He is 9 days older than dirt that is the difference in the excuse.

Bob Lawless

 

[crusha]

So what do you define as the

Denny,

For your information, smartass, that's "Residential Behavioral Therapy Center." And just to show how far I've come on the "anger management" thing, if you venture out to a registered shoot this summer...I'm going to have Dahaub kick your fundamental ass. I'm not into that sort of thing anymore.

 

[highflyer]

So what do you define as the

It seems odd how two guys can go shoot together week after week with completely different results. Some shooters have great days where they can't miss then have terrible days where they miss a lot of targets. Some shooter never have great days. And some shooters are always on. I think it is good eyes, good consistent technique, confidence and above all good concentration on each shot.

 

[timb99]

So what do you define as the

fun·da·men·tal

Pronunciation: \f?n-d?-men-t?l\

Definition: Those things I tell myself to remember when I shoot trap, but seldom do.

 

[BIGDON]

So what do you define as the

highflyer: Are you talking about Buzz and the Lit.????

Don

 

[Bruce Em]

So what do you define as the

I still would like your serious opinions of what techniques are critical to achieve the fundamentals of a good shot.

Some of it is here;

consistent mount

gun that shoots where you look

somethings about the swing are required,

trigger pull techniques (in parallel with the swing or not?)

follow through

You know you know this. Thanks

 

[snowbird]

So what do you define as the

I have a dedicated plan to get my gun in my hands almost everyday. I use my Wall Chart to get my moves smooth and to work on my hand-eye co-ordination of getting the gun to where I am looking. The dry firing moves give me strength and it is self hypnosis, you mentally prepare yourself for upcoming events.

Terry.