I would think trying to figure out target drop would be difficult considering the wind and air factor of a light round disk floating out there. I shot in the wind yesterday and some rose over 10 ft up above normal before dropping.

 

I have read that wind affects the shot string, a lot more than I thought.
Randy

 

I'm curious as to why you would want to know about target drop. In most situations it is advantageous to shoot the bird as it rises or reaches the peak of it's flight. A falling target is much more difficult to hit.

 

I think it would be near impossible unless the measurements could be made with Zero wind speed. At my club with the pits set the way they are, it doesn’t take a lot of wind for targets to rise and fall before they would reach their normal l peak.

So as trap shooters we trying to intersect an aerodynamic parabolic arc with a ballistic parabolic arc.
Both are launched upwards yet both are gravitationally falling at the same time.

How far does either actually fall?

It doesn't matter as long as both paths intersect while still apparently rising!

The casting technique hasn't improved and the bait stinks. Did someone get canceled from other sites for trolling?
The world wonders!

Al

 

Newtons experiment with the lead and the feathers comes to mind, An aerodynamic spinning disc has more "lift" than a round lead shot. You were asking "how much does a trap target rise" not very long ago, I have a good bit of "rise" dialed into my trap gun,

I will save you the trouble of pointing out that I do not actually know the answer to your question, But if we shot in a vacuum the shot and the target would drop at the same rate.

 

I think it would be near impossible unless the measurements could be made with Zero wind speed. At my club with the pits set the way they are, it doesn’t take a lot of wind for targets to rise and fall before they would reach their normal l peak.

 

If you are worried about target drop, you done missed the damn bird

 

Nonsense.

 

Yes. Targets drop due to the effect of gravity. As does everything leaving earths surface that lacks the horsepower to get out of our gravitational pull😉.

 

A quick internet search found a helpfull graph.

 

😂👍🏻

 

Is that a question for a grown man to ask?

 

Your question is obviously not.

 

Randy:

Despite our prior best efforts (see link to your famous thread below), it's obvious you still don't understand (or won't acknowledge) the completely different behavior of a "ballistic object" (like shot pellets) versus a "flying device" (like clay targets).

Please review the responses you got in the other thread. Then realize that you're basically asking the exact same question all over again here . . . the only difference is that in this new thread, you changed what portion of the target's flight path you're asking about. But it's irrelevant what portion of its flight path a target is in (i.e., before or after its apex . . . in other words, on its way up to its apex, or on its way down from its apex) . . . because clay targets are flying devices for their entire flight through the atmosphere = the same physical laws, equations, and variables (many) apply regardless. And shot pellets are ballistic objects for their entire journey through the atmosphere.

"How much will a Trap target rise?" and "How much will a Trap target drop?" are essentially the same question. So, you're not going to get any (correct) answers in this thread that are different than the correct answers we already provided in your other thread.

"How much will a Trap Target Rise?"

 

Randy, I had a very experience coach teach me the fundamentals of trap shooting. During about the 3rd or 4th lesson after I had asked him way too many questions, he put his hand on my shoulder and said, "Jim, trapshooting is not a thinking man's sport." I came to agree with him and basically, the more you shoot you will find that your brain will figure out how to get the gun where it needs to be to break every target presentation. It will calculate lead,drop, reaction time, etc., etc. Just go shoot.

In answer to your question, targets rise at a decreasing rate and they drop at an increasing rate. Good shooters break them while they are going up, bad shooters miss them while they are going down.

 

It's obvious to me that we need a new discussion section called irrelevant things to think about while shooting to destroy our average. Maybe we could get Randy to moderate this nonsensical section to occupy his free time.

 

Must be doing something right. I have published about 20 articles about the techniques of fly, spin, and spey casting. I have published 4 articles about the techniques of pickleball, and 2 about the techniques of skeet.

How many articles have you folks, who have all the answers - so you think - published?

I am still waiting to hear how many of you folks who made fun of me and called me names, had the courage to send Neil Wintson's findings to Phil Kiner and Harlan Campbell and told them to stop telling shooters they could read target breaks. How many of you also called Phil and Harlan names? I bet not one.

 

Almost every one of us has sold as many trapshooting articles as you. The exceptions being those who actually sold any. You aren't Phil Kiner or Harlan Campbell.

 

Did you count on fly fishermen, pickleball players and skeet shooters to do the heavy lifting for your books or articles? If you're going to reference them please let us know where we can peruse said articles so you won't have to blow your own horn. If Harlan and Phil told you a pissant could pull a hay wagon would that be automatically right. These are the question that keep us up at night. Please enlighten us.

 

You have to remember….his head is “way up there “…

 

Easy enough to figure out. It’s a function of a variable airfoil lift coefficient always in retrograde as the distance from the launch point increases. Factoring in the ballistic drop rate of shot at the projected distance of intercept combined with the appropriate amount of Kentucky windage will allow the prudent big dog a high degree of confidence that the POA matches the POI at distance.

 

I love it (tongue in cheek)... except a sphere is not an airfoil. This does not take into consideration the variables in setback deformation and abrasion of the shot ("flyers") based on the wad used. Nor does it reflect vortex shedding (Van Karman effect) and pressure drag of to the preceding shot sphere in a shot string (drafting). Even if you could calculate air density and coefficient of drag of a cloud of shot, it is a guess at best. Most importantly POA and POI is just good old practice and experience relative to a learned sight picture in different weather conditions... but then, I don't know squat.

 

Well, I have never written or published any type of article or book on shooting or fly fishing. Read a lot of them.

I did publish some peer reviewed papers on some things I knew something about a long time ago in what seems another life now. Fortunately I had a lot of good help with them.

There is nothing wrong with being a bit of a troll on the internet. It livens up the discussions.

Please post a link to your trapshooting article when you get it finished.

 

I think Randy takes pleasure from getting the engineers all worked up.

 

I have a coffee cup that says "World's Best Dad".

Does that qualify me to post an answer?

 

Over qualifies you!

 

What does publishing an article about fishing have to do with anything remotely having to do with asking about how gravity affects clay targets?
Is the op suggesting that he is superior ?

 

All I know is that the targets drop faster than the shot, thats why you have to shoot in front of them

 

Do they drop because of gravity? Yes, of course.
Do they drop at the same rate as shot? In a non-vacuum, no.

 

 

See bird.

Shoot bird.

 

I've stayed at a Holiday Inn...

 

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Bottom line is you want to take the target on the rise not the drop so target drop is not something to be concerned about unless you are taking the second target of doubles on the drop.

In that case do not worry about drop rate but just getting underneath the target.