Without the box and documentation, you are probably looking at $3K - $4,500. Could be worth more... or less... depending condition. It's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If it was a NIB gun with paperwork, I would venture to say $6,500 to $8,000... maybe more! I have only seen two NIB Super Pigeons in this condition for sale in the last 4 years... Honestly, the release trigger will probably make the gun less valuable...
There is nothing engraved on a Super bird trigger so you just put another stage three trigger in it. We are talking about a shooter here so the Release is not going to have to do anything to the value. Take the Hobb out of theg un and sell it for 400 and put a new SX-1 stage three in it. Near new ones can be had for 200 to 250 on Gunbroker.com and E-bay. I tried calling you but got no answer and I deleted the phone number like a dummy. Sorry about that.I sold a NIB gun with all the paperwork plus an extra skeet barrel and skeet buttstock with the factory letter stating it was ordered as such for either 5,000 or 5500. I forget which. Asking 8,000 for a used gun and getting it are two diffrent things. Chuck got more money for a Mississippi Flyway gun then I ever would have believed could be possisble so if you have nothing but time on your hands you may indeed get a big number for the gun. I think Chuck got 2500 for that Mississippi Flyway gun that in my opinion wasn't worth a penny more then 1500. So.... Who knows.. Thegun may well bring 6,000 or more. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with your shotgun. I don't regert selling mine as a collecter has it and it is part of a very nice collection of SX-1's. Prices have gone up since I sold mine. Jeff
If i wanted one I would just have it built. I can choose my engraver that way. I mean after all Chuck? If you are going to shoot it then what is the diffrence? The 12-5 pattern is the 12-5 Pattern and you can get engravers who used to do that work for Winchester do the work for you for far less then the price of a Super bird. Hell, You could have nice deep , thick, birds and dogs instaed of the paper thin jobs they come with. Not to dissapoint anybody but they have a habit of falling out( The thin gold dogs and birds that is. I bet you could have the birds and the dogs plus Tom Smith wood for less then the price of a used Super bird. We could call it the SuperxJeff Grade..... HMMMMMM I like the idea already. LOL Jeff
Mine is virtually identical to RJBI, excepting the wood. Bob chromed the receiver, converted the trigger from stage 1 to 3 with the pigeon trigger group. It had a stainless tube already. He replaced the springs, follower, etc. It has a 30 early model full trap barrel, a 30 trap barrel with carleson tubes and a 28 Modifed barrel. It started out as Thome2's Dads gun...
oh, it also has a bill mains engraved insert in the grip cap....might be a nice touch for the RJBI!!
Give Bill Mains a call, or possibly our own Ken Hurst would probably do the same. Reference the picture link to remind either on of what we're talking about..I gave Bill the aluminum piece that's glued in place to use as a template. He did it at the 2004 Grand American for me if I remember correctly.
Unfortunately, Bob passed before he was able to make up some more chromed grip pieces, the only thing missing.
Well, as Bob F. knows, I have an SX-1 at Ken Hurst's for engraving right now. This started as a conversation I had with Bob Baumgart when I was looking for a factory super pigeon. Bob's view was that I could get a better job tailored to what I wanted by having one engraved myself, and then he recommended Ken. This is exactly what Jeff said above...I have a factory pigeon and he's right, the factory engraving ain't all that.
We are doing a 12-5 "type" engraving..that is, upland bird on left and waterfowl on right...but it is NOT going to be just a copy of the 12-5 artwork (which is pretty sketchy at best). I and Ken went over a lot of vintage illustrations and artwork and came up with a design that will remain elegant (so many guns are just over done), be true to the basic premise of the Win 12-5, but be a more complex and detailed composition.
Like Bob F., I just bought a most beautiful marblecake English walnut blank from Cecil and plan to go to Wenig later this month to start the stock work.
As for grip cap, I spoke with Ken about this and he recommended the Jeff Fisher caps (sold on Brownell's and other sites for more money). They are solid machined steel and suitable for good engraving. I selected the two screw model to give Ken the best palette to work on. I decided against another animal inlay for the grip cap...don't want the gun to get too pimped up. Rather, we will copy the scroll and gold wire framing that will be used on the receiver, trigger guard, and end cap. Simple, elegant, but completes the gun. This cap will be blued with the receiver.
I don't know if this is a Bob Baumgart memorial gun or not...I certainly feel that it is insofar as our talks were the origination of this whole project. In Bob's absence, I had Ernest Marlette do the polishing and gunsmithing and feel that, although nobody will ever replace Bob, that working with Ernest is much like working with Bob in terms of honesty, dedication to quality, love of the gun, etc.
I hope to have this project done in the next nine months or so...we will see.
By the by, I have seen Bob F.'s maple wood memorial gun and he's right, the gun and the wood are even more spectacular in person.