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I'm skeptical. Kentucky is a solid "red state", Romney doesn't need to curry favor with that state.

I still think the VP is going to come from a large "swing state" like Florida. I'm thinking Rubio, or West as VP.

The 4 largest electoral states are: CA, TX, FL, NY in no particular order other than CA being the largest. CA and NY are going to go to Ojackass no matter what. Texas will go to Romney unless he really does something stupid, so that leaves FL.

The VP is going to come from FL ,possibly Ohio, Michigan, Penn. and I don't know who is well enough known from the state other than FL to make an impression with the conservatives.

The meeting with Rand Paul is a dog and pony show. It might be a good show, but it is still just a show.
 

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How about Bachman?
 

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Rick, who knows? Romney is said to be weak with women, but then you read women don't like Bachmann.

I still think it is going to be somebody from FL, or the northeast or midwest. Cristy from NJ said he is now open to being considered for VP. Can you imagine NJ going Repub??? How about Gov. Casick from Ohio?

The VP is going to be somebody whom can deliver some electoral votes. When you look at electoral votes up for grabs you are looking at : FL, Ohio, Penn, Michigan (or as they call it - Shitagain), or some state up East.
 

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How can angry tea partiers be lost votes? I kind of consider myself one and I would crawl over hot coals naked to vote against, repeat against Obama. If a rock in the parking lot was the republican candidate, I would vote for the rock. No sane tea party person is mad enough to stay at home and let Obama win. There is no way to imagine how bad that will be for our way of life as we have grown up to enjoy. Imagine having to leave your trap gun locked away at the gun club when your done shooting and on your way home. Imagine having your knife collection confiscated.

The close meeting with Rand Paul is probably a meeting trying to figure out a way to get Rand's nut job dad to gracefully drop out without running on a third party. The Republicans will have their revenge on Rand if Ron pulls that nonsense.
 

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Well knobcreek you wrote -" No sane tea party person is mad enough to stay at home and let Obama win"

You haven't talked to Brian in Oregon, have you?
 

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So...I guess this means the whackjob Libertarian story about all the "ghost" delegates for Paul posing as Romney delegates is now officially on the back burner?
 

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Oregon might be a swing state this year as well. At least that's what some politcal analysts are claiming. After many years of being a blue state, unemployment has reached a head here. The unofficial rate is 22%. However, Romney faces problems with some hard core conservatives who will not support RINOs and gun banners. There's a history of RINOs and gun banners running for congress and the governor getting enough votes skimmed to the Libertarians or other third parties that they've gone down. Rand Paul would be an asset here. Another RINO or someone wishy-washy on guns will likely lack the votes to turn Oregon into a red state.
 

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<i>"" No sane tea party person is mad enough to stay at home and let Obama win""</i>

You can be flip with this all you want, but actions have consequences, and the consequence of nominating a gun banner, especially one who arrogantly brags about it, is the loss of support from some gun owners.

The fault is not with those who refuse to compromise their ideals. It's with those who did, and have no principles, and did not think their actions would not have an undesired outcome.

Now they're crying the blues, and namecalling and bullying those who won't support anti-gun Romney, thinking such tactics will win people over.

The only thing that may win some of them back is the proper choice of a VP, which is not likely to happen. The bottom line is, Romney is telling those who are not happy with his anti-gun position that he does not need nor care about them.

Pity Republicans did not chose more wisely.
 

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By calling out Oregon's unofficial 22% unemployment rate Brian has hit the nail on the head. More than anything else, this election will be about economics, be it jobs, taxes, jobs, Obamacare, jobs, the massive federal deficit, jobs and the crushing burden of the cost of complying with a never ending stream of government regulations. Our country's credit card is max'ed out,folks, and unless we begin taking positve steps to address our huge deficits it will be the begining of the end for every single American.

As far as my guns; I believe that Mitt Romney knows he must have the votes and support of pro-gunners if he is to win the Presidency. That's a fact. Even Obama wasn't stupid enough to bring up gun control during his first campaign, even though he has proven to me, via Fast and Furious, that he always had gun control on his agenda.

The fact that we pro-gun voters are as powerful as we are at the ballot box is a tribute to all of us who will not stand for a politician who will scheme to deprive us of our guns and our support of the organizations who work to promote, protect and increase our influence at the ballot box..

With that said, please don't forget that Romney was a republican governor in a state with an overwhelmingly democrat controlled legislature. Those who took the effort to follow the voting record of the Massachusetts legislature quite often found the first sentence in the paper to be "Legislature overrode Governors veto..."

Like many others here, I am keenly aware of the "divide and conquer" strategy of the political left. I will not walk away from nor pass off an attack on one type of gun just because I don't own or like it because I know that eventually the gun-haters will be after the guns I do own and like.

I believe that we will be faced with the choice of either Mitt Romney or 4 more years of what we have now.

To me, the choice is obvious.
 

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Signing a gun ban because the legislature might override a veto is nothing short of a piss poor cowardly excuse.

And if Romney thinks he needs the support of gun owners now, it doesn't speak well of him that he decided he didn't need us then.

What a turd.
 

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Oregon a swing state? LOL, give me a break. Oregon hasn't voted Republican in a presidential election in 28 years and is in the 2012 Obama tank as surely as California or any of the other full-blown Euro-Socialist states. If you're going to talk politics, get a friggin clue for God's sake.

-Gary
 

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Not what the media and political pundits are saying, dumbass.
 

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Four more years of Obama isn't going to be four more years of the same thing. It's going to be Premier Obama and blatant tyranny that will take your breath away, and maybe your property and your life.
 

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Want to see a historic gun grab, stay home come election time and let Obama have another 4 years. No presiident is going to ban guns during his first term in office.

Robert
 

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Brian,

David doesn't like name-callers.

Furthermore, in electoral college terms, Oregon should be called Northern California.
 

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WS-1, get back to me on that after you've addressed the "clueless" personal attack. I dished back the appropriate response.
 

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As important as my guns are to me, I sincerely believe that this election will be about economics. There is not a day that goes by that I don't hear another tale of economic woe. A lost job, a closed business, a foreclosure, the inability to get any job or the lowering of one's standard of living because of having to accept a job at significantly less pay are, sadly, all too commom stories to me lately. I'm sure that there are a significant number of people here at TS.com who could chime in with their own experiences as well.

My Second Amendment rights won't mean much when I have to sell or trade my guns to buy groceries or to keep a roof over my head.
 
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