[Portagee Shooter]

Can I safely use the current published loads for the Remington STS, Nitro & Gun Club hulls in these blue plastic hulls? These have a clear plastic base wad in them, so I want to make sure. Are there any negatives with these hulls? Thanks in advance.

Lyle

Here are 2 pictures of the hull in question

 

[halfmile]

If these are 2 piece hulls they are probably Remington All Americans. They have a different internal volume and will not work with present day recipes. The base wads were notorious for coming loose and plugging barrels after several reloads.

If it says Power Piston on them that refers to the wad used. There are probably about 20 different versions, past and present.

It would help if you post a picture.

If you don't know for sure what you have it would be best not to play around.

HM

 

[grunt]

Remington All-American hulls had ribs, Blue Magics were smooth. Power Piston were the Remingtom wads.

 

[Portagee Shooter]

I've updated my initial post w/ 2 pictures. Thanks for everyone's help. Lyle

 

[halfmile]

Those are All-American hulls. They require a shorter wad, a AA12R or RPA-12.

If you do find wads, use the shells in a break gun and check your bore every time.

HM

 

[mrskeet410]

Do they have stars stamped on the exterior base? Do they say Remington or Peters on the exterior base?

 

[Portagee Shooter]

They have both Remington & Peters stamped on the base. I'm not sure about the star. Will have to check it out when I return home.
Lyle

 

[Portagee Shooter]

There is no star stamped on the base. Any load recipes for these hulls? Thanks again for everyone's input.

Lyle

 

[halfmile]

If you don't have the short wads you are wastin your time. I have some left over, will see what I can find.

The Winchester Papers had a high base wad too, and used the same components.

A normal dose of Red Dot (or Promo) like about 18 grains will work.

HM

 

[mrskeet410]

I can't tell waht they are from the small posted pic. They don't look like the old pre-RXP Remington-Peters ammo. A few years ago, when the dollar was high vis-a-vis the Euro, Remington imported some EuroTrash ammo in blue and green flavors. Suspect they load like EuroTrash.

 

[mrskeet410]

I managed to enlarge the pic a bit, and see that it has "Power Piston" printed on the hull. If it is not a R-P recycle of that brand name in a EuroTrash import, then HalfMile is pretty close. They could be one generation older than the "All Amercian" design HalfMile refers to. If so, they will use a 57* primer.

 

[Portagee Shooter]

Halfmile,

I have the Claybuster knockoff for the Winchester Paper hull. My father gave me about a thousand each of the old Winchester paper and Federal paper hulls, along w/ these 700+ Remington/Peters hulls. I remember loading the Federal & Winchester w/ 18.5 of Red Dot, 1-1/8oz. Thanks for your help.

Lyle

 

[halfmile]

A further bit of trivia:

When the RXP came out, and Winchester discontinued the paper shell, there were a lot of the AA12R left. They made a good 1 & 1/4 oz wad in regular hulls that had more capacity.

mrskeet, that white biscuit in the bottom is a dead giveaway for All-Americans.

HM

 

[mrskeet410]

I believe the All-Americans had a black base. The generation preceeding the All Americans had the white biscuit. If there was inter-net then, there would have been lots of posts about those biscuits shooting loose, ala AAHS basewads.

 

[ricks1]

well I dont know what they are but the primer is tight. I had about 200 and the first 10 I deprimed bulged the head so I trashed them. I am not sure but the 209 were very tight[other reason got trashed] they may have that rem69 in them

 

[mrskeet410]

Oops - The earliest plastic Remington-Peters target hulls used a smaller primer. I stated earlier it was a *57, but it may have been a *69. I can't remember the difference between *57s and *69s.

 

[halfmile]

My first car was a 57, my first good date was a 69.

You sure you can't tell?

HM