They will never tell you what powder goes in there factory loads. Just find a comparable load and go from there.

 

Take a look at some of the old posts below...... there is a response in one from timb99 with s load I have tried.. seems to work...... Larry

 

I'm going to jump out on a limb here.
I'm guessing that your speaking of the 1 1/8 oz load?
If I'm correct, Remington actually uses the TGT 12 wad in this load.
Yes the TGT 12 wad is a 1 ounce wad, that is what Remington uses in the Nitro 27
1 1/8 oz shell. Unless you have lots of extra $$$ in your wallet, I would not use the
Remington 209 primer. All that being said, there are many, many powders that will duplicate
the factory loading using,
Rem. Nitro - Hull
Win. 209 - Primer
TGT 12 or clone - Wad
AT - 1235 fps

Some that I would recommend would be;
20.3 gr - International
20.4 gr - Winchester Super Handicap
22.8 gr - 800 X

Good Luck,
MG

 

I use tightgroup 17.5 tgt wads ww primer 1 1/8 lawerance extra hard shot sts or nitro case crono 1235-1250

 

I only post published loads John.
There are NO published loads for
TIGHTGROUP powder, w/ WIN 209's
above 1200 FPS.
MG

 

There are numerous threads on t his precise question. If I recall correctly, at various times, Rem used International Clays and Titegroup in its Nitro 27 loads. Which wad they used might depend on the powder with the Fig 8 used with International and the TGT used with Titegroup (because it is so dense). Using Titegroup at handicap speeds tiptoes up to the pressure line, so be careful. Whenever I use Titegroup, I always back the powder off a half grain.

 

Lorrie is asking about the sporting clays shell not the nitro 27 handicap shell.

 

Just opened up a new 1 1/8 oz, 1235 fps, Nitro 27 and it has a Rem TGT 12 wad. Weighed the powder and it was 19.2 grs. on my electronic scale. The powder is dark silver and small/fine flakes and looks very much like Win Super Handicap.

 

Two things.

First: I'm pretty sure it's NOT Winchester Super Handicap in the factory Nitro shells.

Second: Opening up a factory shell and weighing the charge tells you nothing and can be dangerous since most often, the powder they use in the factory is NOT anything you can buy for sale from IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, or anyone else. It's a proprietary mix.

Unless something has changed, Remington, in their 1235 fps Nitro 27 1-1/8 ounce cartridge uses something "similar to" Hodgdon Titegroup. I say "similar" but it is NOT Titegroup.

I have no idea what powder they use in the 1300 fps Sporting Clays load.

To the OP, you DO KNOW that 1300 fps Sporting Clays shell is illegal for ATA Trap?

 

I'm with Mg1polo on this. Published loads.
That's why I keep my last 5000 Rem primers from before Rem raised priced thru the roof.
Just for these Nitro loads. Titegroup and Tgt12 (Rem brand wad).
Geo.

 

I'm going to jump out on a limb here.
I'm guessing that your speaking of the 1 1/8 oz load?
If I'm correct, Remington actually uses the TGT 12 wad in this load.
Yes the TGT 12 wad is a 1 ounce wad, that is what Remington uses in the Nitro 27
1 1/8 oz shell. Unless you have lots of extra $$$ in your wallet, I would not use the
Remington 209 primer. All that being said, there are many, many powders that will duplicate
the factory loading using,
Rem. Nitro - Hull
Win. 209 - Primer
TGT 12 or clone - Wad
AT - 1235 fps

Some that I would recommend would be;
20.3 gr - International
20.4 gr - Winchester Super Handicap
22.8 gr - 800 X

Good Luck,
MG

Perfect!
Thanks for your insight. I use the WSH load as you have listed
My chronograph readings show the WSH load closer to 1250 fps.
Could be a slight variation in powder drops.
John

 

The powders are proprietary and not available to the public.

Remington specifies the physical and ballistic parameters the powders must satisfy and the powder company engineers do the rest.

 

Wonder what agreement or contract prevents the powder company (do we have any?) from sharing that product........ Larry

 

Wonder what agreement or contract prevents the powder company (do we have any?) from sharing that product...

You hit on it... a contract. No legitimate company would be foolish enough to jeopardize a long-standing business relationship for the sake of selling a small portion of a proprietary product outside the market it's intended for.

 

As Mark said in an earlier post I was asking about the sporting clays 1300 fps load, not the Nitro 27. I cut open a new Nitro sporting clays bullet, and it definitely had a figure 8 style wad. I have loaded similar loads for years, but was asking mostly about what powder they use. I am now assuming it's a proprietary deal with one of the powder suppliers.

 

There are things you can duplicate, you can use the Rem hull, probably find some Rem primers and certainly can find the figure 8 wads. You can buy the best/hardest shot you can find. I read from time to time folks are even buying the Remington shot. Powder is the best kept secret in the world that seemingly no one can or will identify or even tell the "parameters" of its specifications. That seems to be like the special blends of Whiskey, Tea, Coffee, Pepsi, Coke and so on, They could tell us but then they would have to kill us. The 1300 fps is something though you can safely duplicate if that is your objective. If you do not have one already get yourself a Lyman 5th edition and look under "Field Loads". The velocity is available but you will need to buy the various powders, primers, wads etc that the book indicates will produce the velocity and still be at safe pressures. I have duplicated velocities for the Nitro27 and Sporting Clays that way..... not sure it helped much but it was fun........... Larry

 

I like factory sts loads and had a long talk with someone I knew at Remington about the cloning of these.

1. Both loads discused use propriety powders.
2. Titegroup is what most use to clone the first load.
3. Hulls are the hulls
4. Shot is the harder sts shot
5. Sts primers can be used(although cost to me not worth it) and powder can be adjusted to compensate.

I would try a clone version and tweak to get as close as you feel necessary

 

Lorie,
After paging thru years of data, trying to find what you are looking for,
I found only one published load that will do what you are looking for with
the components that you have specified, here ya go & best of luck.

2 3/4" Remington 12 gauge Nitro - Hull
1 1/8 oz - Hard Shot
Win. 209 - Primer
Remington Figure 8 - Wad
25. 0 gr, Universal - Powder
1310 fps - 10,800 psi

MG

 

Thank you everyone for your input.