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Drew...... I am loading Promo, which has the same loading data as Red Dot. I am loading STS hulls, Fiocchi primers, 18.7gr. Promo, original Windjammer 11/8oz. wads, and 11/8oz. #71/2 magnum shot. These loads are as good as it gets for long yardage handicap. For singles and first shot on doubles I cut the charge to 16.5gr. Promo but still use the 11/8oz. wad and 11/8oz #71/2 shot. These loads work very well. For many years I stayed away from Windjuammer wads due to the fact that the petals always seemed to fold over or would give me trouble when I tried to load them. Now that they have re-designed the wad so that the petals are attached to each other they are very easy to load and the previous problems are no longer a concern. I really like the wads and will continue to use them as long as I can still get them from Connies at a decent price.......Just my experience........Dan Thome (Trap2)