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20.9 grains Winchester Super Handicap powder, WW209 primer, Winchester 1118 wad, 492 grains 71/2 or 8 magnum shot..... Dan Thome (Trap2)
 

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20.9 grains of Winchester Super Handicap powder, Winchester wad, waa12, in a winchester Hull, and also Win 209 primer. I use the win grey hull to duplicate .

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So what is the key ingredient here? The wad? which one? is there a difference? between the red and the gray shells? ( they sure pattern differently)
 

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USE A wAA12 WAD IN A GRAY HULL, yes there is a slight difference , between the red and grey hull.But I have used both and have not seen much difference.

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I reload both red and gray, even have some old silver ones and I haven't seen a bit of difference. They all break targets. The old silver ones have more space and I load those for 11/8 oz handicap. The red and gray 1 oz singles and sporting clays load. All loads at about 1180 to 1200 fps.
 

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Anybody know what Hornady bushing will give around 20.9 gr? Hodgdon manual
says #381 will throw 21.0gr but I've noticed these are notoriously wrong. Anybody
have any insight? Thanks...
 

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With my lot of Super handicap powder my Hornady #372 throws 20.2 grains. The next size Hornady makes is a #380 which throws 21.1. I bought another #372 and lapped it a bit to throw 20.6. I like to use the CB version of the TGT-12 wad with either Win or Cheddite primer. The published 20.9 load is over 11,000 psi so I like to back off a bit.
 

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If you want the full affect of the Winchester super handicap shells put a spent primer in every 10th reloaded shell or so, then you get the full experience.
 
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