Luvinbearhugs and Rico, yes, I agree not all rap music is bad. BMC and I even talked about some of those and I specifically mentioned how some of it, mostly older, doesn't have what me and OhioBob would call "objectionable" lyrics.
No one here should be so confused to think I would object to so-called rap music with lyrics like "I luv da creek, da sun makes it shine, fishin in summer, and havin a good time."
This is about rap or, if anyone is confused, "gangsta rap." As I believe Rico can attest to, if his music collection is that large, there are plenty of recordings that sound I-freaking-dentical to rap music, just minus the "offensive" lyrics.
Nobody has to let their kids hear that trash just to dance. If they insist on hearing those words it is because they like them. They think they're cool, makes them feel grown up and rebellious, or whatever it is, but they can get that same beat elsewhere from other hip-hop artists.
And just so everyone knows, I am not a prude or a dork. I was a notorious club hound and womanizer and was very grateful that so many parents are very understanding and licentious with their daughters. Good girls were my favourites. Does anyone even watch the freaking news, read the paper, or pay attention to other folks' kids these days? How many parents start out with "I always knew Jenny was trouble and was going to wind up pregnant and drop out of college..." Horsepucky, they always start out sobbing "Jenny was always such a good kid, we had a great relationship, I don't know how this could have happened..."
Buying, listening to, and downright enjoying lyrics that denigrate women, treat them like sex objects, etc., is really not going to have an effect? Please, or, if we are going to be rappers: NP!
If you don't think people come to accept things when they hear them popularized and repeated over and over again as though they were normal, then you have just disproved the theories of propaganda, advertising, the logical fallacy of appeal to authority and, I'm sure, many others. Wow, shouldn't you win a Noble Prize or something?
I'm suddenly in a magical world where no one remembers dehumanizing the enemy in WWII through propaganda. People accept ideas when they are repeatedly told they are normal. I just heard Al Sharpton say rap music should be accepted because it is a normal part of black culture. I don't know who I feel worse for, black people who are kept down by this farce, or white people who help keep them down because they are too cowardly and lack the conviction to tell them that it is killing blacks and keeping them down and should be rejected.
As I tried to get at with some examples up above, if your boy or girl, not young adult, is listening to things that extol the virtues of beating down people who look the wrong way at you, and gang-banging a girl, then dude, you need to have a sit down with your kid and have a good long talk about what is wrong in their head.
If you saw your kid kicking a puppy would you just smile and say "awe, Billy's such a rascal"??? No freaking way, right? Then why the heck wouldn't you figure out what's wrong with them when they spend YOUR money to enjoy hearing people laugh and sing about doing that sort of thing to innocent people!!!!????
And Tim says I have no clue about this because I don't have kids? Well that's just INSANE.
In recent years there has been this fantasy pushed by so-called liberals that kids are born little angels. WRONG. We are born amoral animals and will remain so unless children are inculcated with standards of proper behaviour.
Didn't anyone read William Golding's "Lord of the Flies." It used to be required reading. Now we've got half the country ready to get a prayer rug and convert to Islam because "they really must be nice people who will certainly stop vowing under G_d to kill or convert us all -- if only they knew how much we love them."
I'm really having an Orwellian "Ministry of Truth" moment and it is truly a relief that at least some of you are still sane.
By the way, wifey and I are both educated up the ying yang, make about 1/2M a year, have no abortions, failed marriages, or illegitimate kids (I fully realize half of this country no longer sees these things as vices) and were brought up as I advocate so I'm sticking with a proven strategy. Those who are interested can experiment with "growing with the times" to your heart's content.
With that, I'm going to do my best to resist the urge to reopen this thread. As they always have, and always will, people will do what they will, and I certainly wish everyone the best and, honestly, hope that I am wrong.
No one here should be so confused to think I would object to so-called rap music with lyrics like "I luv da creek, da sun makes it shine, fishin in summer, and havin a good time."
This is about rap or, if anyone is confused, "gangsta rap." As I believe Rico can attest to, if his music collection is that large, there are plenty of recordings that sound I-freaking-dentical to rap music, just minus the "offensive" lyrics.
Nobody has to let their kids hear that trash just to dance. If they insist on hearing those words it is because they like them. They think they're cool, makes them feel grown up and rebellious, or whatever it is, but they can get that same beat elsewhere from other hip-hop artists.
And just so everyone knows, I am not a prude or a dork. I was a notorious club hound and womanizer and was very grateful that so many parents are very understanding and licentious with their daughters. Good girls were my favourites. Does anyone even watch the freaking news, read the paper, or pay attention to other folks' kids these days? How many parents start out with "I always knew Jenny was trouble and was going to wind up pregnant and drop out of college..." Horsepucky, they always start out sobbing "Jenny was always such a good kid, we had a great relationship, I don't know how this could have happened..."
Buying, listening to, and downright enjoying lyrics that denigrate women, treat them like sex objects, etc., is really not going to have an effect? Please, or, if we are going to be rappers: NP!
If you don't think people come to accept things when they hear them popularized and repeated over and over again as though they were normal, then you have just disproved the theories of propaganda, advertising, the logical fallacy of appeal to authority and, I'm sure, many others. Wow, shouldn't you win a Noble Prize or something?
I'm suddenly in a magical world where no one remembers dehumanizing the enemy in WWII through propaganda. People accept ideas when they are repeatedly told they are normal. I just heard Al Sharpton say rap music should be accepted because it is a normal part of black culture. I don't know who I feel worse for, black people who are kept down by this farce, or white people who help keep them down because they are too cowardly and lack the conviction to tell them that it is killing blacks and keeping them down and should be rejected.
As I tried to get at with some examples up above, if your boy or girl, not young adult, is listening to things that extol the virtues of beating down people who look the wrong way at you, and gang-banging a girl, then dude, you need to have a sit down with your kid and have a good long talk about what is wrong in their head.
If you saw your kid kicking a puppy would you just smile and say "awe, Billy's such a rascal"??? No freaking way, right? Then why the heck wouldn't you figure out what's wrong with them when they spend YOUR money to enjoy hearing people laugh and sing about doing that sort of thing to innocent people!!!!????
And Tim says I have no clue about this because I don't have kids? Well that's just INSANE.
In recent years there has been this fantasy pushed by so-called liberals that kids are born little angels. WRONG. We are born amoral animals and will remain so unless children are inculcated with standards of proper behaviour.
Didn't anyone read William Golding's "Lord of the Flies." It used to be required reading. Now we've got half the country ready to get a prayer rug and convert to Islam because "they really must be nice people who will certainly stop vowing under G_d to kill or convert us all -- if only they knew how much we love them."
I'm really having an Orwellian "Ministry of Truth" moment and it is truly a relief that at least some of you are still sane.
By the way, wifey and I are both educated up the ying yang, make about 1/2M a year, have no abortions, failed marriages, or illegitimate kids (I fully realize half of this country no longer sees these things as vices) and were brought up as I advocate so I'm sticking with a proven strategy. Those who are interested can experiment with "growing with the times" to your heart's content.
With that, I'm going to do my best to resist the urge to reopen this thread. As they always have, and always will, people will do what they will, and I certainly wish everyone the best and, honestly, hope that I am wrong.
