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rap doesnt hurt kids. bad genetics id the problem , people procreating that shouldnt procreat.
Rap Music is undermining our Youth
The real problem is Rap music terms like Imus used are nothing compared to the vulgar words and ugly morals found in Rap music and vidios. The new acceptable terms for Black people is only they can call each other racial names but it is unacceptable and offensive from White people. The problem I have is 60% of Rap music is listened to by white youth and they are being subjected to foul language ghetto terms and low class morals. Sharpton and Jackson should start cleaning up in their own back yards first if they want to elevate the status of Black youth and Black people as a whole. I also think the money driven Music industry should be held accountable for the content within the music. I know this is impossible as the money is much more important than the moral issue and future of American youth both Black and White.
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BMC, Run DMC released their first single in 1983.
Sugarhill Gang released the first commercially successful rap song in 1979.
Kurtis Blow had a Gold record rap single in 1980.
Even Blondie had a number one (on Billboard 100) rap song in 1981.
These artist started it all. However, Run DMC certainly remain greats for the genre.
Importantly, much earlier rap music actually did tell a story that was worth telling. For example, Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" (from 1982, also predating Run DMC). The lyrics of the day may have spoken of depravation, but did not, to my memory, glorify degredation of women and the weak.
Sugarhill Gang released the first commercially successful rap song in 1979.
Kurtis Blow had a Gold record rap single in 1980.
Even Blondie had a number one (on Billboard 100) rap song in 1981.
These artist started it all. However, Run DMC certainly remain greats for the genre.
Importantly, much earlier rap music actually did tell a story that was worth telling. For example, Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" (from 1982, also predating Run DMC). The lyrics of the day may have spoken of depravation, but did not, to my memory, glorify degredation of women and the weak.
No.
But my qualifications are as follows:
I was a child.
I often remain childish.
Every single one of my friends and associates were children.
Many of them listen to rap music and many of them do not.
Many of their kids listen to rap music and many of them do not.
I have personally heard the lyrics to many rap songs, both current, and from yesteryear.
Moreover, I have spent a lifetime actively studying what behaviour patterns and choices lead to success in life, and which lead to failure. Rap is usually, though not always, associated with failure for all but those who make money from its production.
I will concede that some people may listen to rap with ill effect. Similarly, I've known many people who have done hard drugs and it does not seem to have hurt their lives too much; though it may be a matter of degrees.
You pays your money and takes your chances. If you think the payoff is worth the risk vs. the available alternatives, good luck to you and your family beating the odds.
If you claim that I know nothing about growing up because I've only seen myself and those around me growing up rather than people I biologically created growing up, well then I'm going to have to call balderdash on that one.
But my qualifications are as follows:
I was a child.
I often remain childish.
Every single one of my friends and associates were children.
Many of them listen to rap music and many of them do not.
Many of their kids listen to rap music and many of them do not.
I have personally heard the lyrics to many rap songs, both current, and from yesteryear.
Moreover, I have spent a lifetime actively studying what behaviour patterns and choices lead to success in life, and which lead to failure. Rap is usually, though not always, associated with failure for all but those who make money from its production.
I will concede that some people may listen to rap with ill effect. Similarly, I've known many people who have done hard drugs and it does not seem to have hurt their lives too much; though it may be a matter of degrees.
You pays your money and takes your chances. If you think the payoff is worth the risk vs. the available alternatives, good luck to you and your family beating the odds.
If you claim that I know nothing about growing up because I've only seen myself and those around me growing up rather than people I biologically created growing up, well then I'm going to have to call balderdash on that one.
I was wondering if anyone would mention GMF and the furius five or Sugar Hill Gang...lol. GMF was good, don't get me wrong, but I think RUN DMC stole their thunder at the point where rap was just getting started mainstream. I didn't listen to KB until about the same time. Funny thing is he is a DJ on a local radio station here. I forgot about Blondie, good catch. Those were the days.
Yeah BMC, I guess we're old school.
You probably are right about that too -- Run DMC really brought it to suburbia in a big way. Growing up in an area where white folks were a minority -- help, I'm oppressed! -- exposed me to that stuff from the beginning.
I should probably have mentioned that I'm talking about kids here. If someone is looking at their 18 year old and worrying about what they are listening to, it may not matter anymore.
We were at some friends the other night and were told how their daughters were singing some inappropriate line, the kids clearly didn't understand the meaning of, from a hip hop song and the parents thought it was cute. Ages four and six. We will think it cute when our six year old is quoting Shakespeare. Your mileage may vary.
You probably are right about that too -- Run DMC really brought it to suburbia in a big way. Growing up in an area where white folks were a minority -- help, I'm oppressed! -- exposed me to that stuff from the beginning.
I should probably have mentioned that I'm talking about kids here. If someone is looking at their 18 year old and worrying about what they are listening to, it may not matter anymore.
We were at some friends the other night and were told how their daughters were singing some inappropriate line, the kids clearly didn't understand the meaning of, from a hip hop song and the parents thought it was cute. Ages four and six. We will think it cute when our six year old is quoting Shakespeare. Your mileage may vary.
SouthPark, we are probably a similar age. I'm 40 and my 14 and 16 year old grew up listening to pretty much whatever I was listening to which ranged from Metallica to Dr. Dre. There was a time when they were younger they didn't care for rap but when they became fixated with MTV, that all changed. That is primarily why I believe the culprit of altering the perceived persona of our youth isn't so much the music as it is the medium in which they are served it. Do away with MTV, VH1 and BET and I bet you we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Southpark,
Just trying to establish credibility. I think I know now.
I think I'll accept that my high school senior daughter who is in National Honor Society, on the honor roll for the last I don't know how many semesters, and had a 4.4 grade point average last quarter (no, that's not a typo) while taking Advance Placement American Government and Honors English classes (both for college credit) Calculus and 4th year Honors Latin....is turning out OK, despite her proclivity to listen to rap. Listening to a thing does not mean necessarily that you will emulate that thing.
BTW, she's been on her high school drill and dance team for 4 years, and we have a special little place for all her dancing awards, so I guess you could say she can dance a little.
She listens to alternative music, country, pop, celtic music, rock & roll, in addition to rap. She really likes Eric Clapton.
And you do know nothing. Being a child is a far different thing from raising a child. Get back to me when the children you don't even have yet have experienced their 17th birthday.
She's probably a better trap shooter than you too.
Tim
Just trying to establish credibility. I think I know now.
I think I'll accept that my high school senior daughter who is in National Honor Society, on the honor roll for the last I don't know how many semesters, and had a 4.4 grade point average last quarter (no, that's not a typo) while taking Advance Placement American Government and Honors English classes (both for college credit) Calculus and 4th year Honors Latin....is turning out OK, despite her proclivity to listen to rap. Listening to a thing does not mean necessarily that you will emulate that thing.
BTW, she's been on her high school drill and dance team for 4 years, and we have a special little place for all her dancing awards, so I guess you could say she can dance a little.
She listens to alternative music, country, pop, celtic music, rock & roll, in addition to rap. She really likes Eric Clapton.
And you do know nothing. Being a child is a far different thing from raising a child. Get back to me when the children you don't even have yet have experienced their 17th birthday.
She's probably a better trap shooter than you too.
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timb99 - I thank you for your post, you have exemplified what I was trying to say.
Rap music in itself is not the evil here.
Hell, listen to some country songs and try not to be a hypocrite.
Ever listen to Johnny Cash? Tell me what story Cocaine Blues tells.... Doing cocaine, shooting and killing someone, running from the law and spending your life in prison. Yep, that's conductive to a healthy lifestyle.
I guess children who listen to Johnny Cash will turn out with severe problems right?
The longer this thread goes, the more I'm realizing this is a racial bias, not a music bias.
Rap music in itself is not the evil here.
Hell, listen to some country songs and try not to be a hypocrite.
Ever listen to Johnny Cash? Tell me what story Cocaine Blues tells.... Doing cocaine, shooting and killing someone, running from the law and spending your life in prison. Yep, that's conductive to a healthy lifestyle.
I guess children who listen to Johnny Cash will turn out with severe problems right?
The longer this thread goes, the more I'm realizing this is a racial bias, not a music bias.
Okay Tim, thanks for letting me know.
I've long suspected women teachers can't tell male students anything because they've never been guys. Similarly I've always thought criminals should run the prisons because what the heck would the warden know about people commit crime? I will also print this out and give it to the press the next time a civilian wants to direct the military, or a military guy wants to run politics -- they obviously don't know a thing.
Moreover, Tim, if your daughter really is familiar with all the different hip hop styles of music that provide the dance beat of rap, without the lyrics, and she still chooses to listen to rap, I truly wish the best for your daughter. Personally, I would worry what it says about her that she still likes listening to those lyrics even though she has similar musical alternatives.
If you look at my post above, you will see that I anticipated this sort of thing and clarified I've been talking about kids, not adults, which your daughter is, or is nearly.
She has a lot of living left to do. I truly hopes she grows up to fulfil all your expectations. Of course only time will tell.
I remain convinced however, that I would be no more impressed by anyone dancing to rap music than I would be impressed with African tribespeople dancing on a NatGeo special.
Furthermore, Eric Clapton glorified Cocain in a rather famous song, and was so negligent as a parent his child fell out his window to his death. Again, not a role model I would choose. If it works for you and 25 years from now your daughter is healthy, happy, and wise, and never made foolish decisions she regrets, I'll formally apologize and may consider becoming an advocate of rap music.
For now, even though I have no children of my own, if you think letting your kids (while they are children, not near-adults) listen to music that glorifies drug use, violence, and abuse of women, I think you are a damn fool and asking for trouble.
Regarding the trapshooting, yeah, she probably is a better shot then me.
I've long suspected women teachers can't tell male students anything because they've never been guys. Similarly I've always thought criminals should run the prisons because what the heck would the warden know about people commit crime? I will also print this out and give it to the press the next time a civilian wants to direct the military, or a military guy wants to run politics -- they obviously don't know a thing.
Moreover, Tim, if your daughter really is familiar with all the different hip hop styles of music that provide the dance beat of rap, without the lyrics, and she still chooses to listen to rap, I truly wish the best for your daughter. Personally, I would worry what it says about her that she still likes listening to those lyrics even though she has similar musical alternatives.
If you look at my post above, you will see that I anticipated this sort of thing and clarified I've been talking about kids, not adults, which your daughter is, or is nearly.
She has a lot of living left to do. I truly hopes she grows up to fulfil all your expectations. Of course only time will tell.
I remain convinced however, that I would be no more impressed by anyone dancing to rap music than I would be impressed with African tribespeople dancing on a NatGeo special.
Furthermore, Eric Clapton glorified Cocain in a rather famous song, and was so negligent as a parent his child fell out his window to his death. Again, not a role model I would choose. If it works for you and 25 years from now your daughter is healthy, happy, and wise, and never made foolish decisions she regrets, I'll formally apologize and may consider becoming an advocate of rap music.
For now, even though I have no children of my own, if you think letting your kids (while they are children, not near-adults) listen to music that glorifies drug use, violence, and abuse of women, I think you are a damn fool and asking for trouble.
Regarding the trapshooting, yeah, she probably is a better shot then me.
SShooterZ, thank you for pointing it out. It is, in fact, about racial bias.
There is a bias in this country by white people to embrace the worst aspects of a growing, and disgusting, culture that violates the essence of what makes America great, for fear of being called a racist.
Pathetic.
Do you think that kids should be allowed to watch R rated movies?
Did you let your kid watch them?
What about television and cable? Do you belive in, and have you always practiced, a policy of letting your child watch any show on cable?
If not, why not? Don't you believe that if they see or hear something it won't make them like that? So you don't believe in any censorship for kids right?
With the "logic" I've seen here I guess you're going to tell me next that it is okay to let folks look at child porn because it won't influence them to be sexual deviants.
By the way, however talented I believe he was, I bet a lot of Johnny Cash fans have had problems with suicide and depression.
Finally, I should have pointed out above that Tim's "reasoning" about me not having children is just intellectually offensive. Do you challenge your kid's teachers and tell the school they're not qualified to teach kids if they themselves haven't made any? Gimme a break.
There is a bias in this country by white people to embrace the worst aspects of a growing, and disgusting, culture that violates the essence of what makes America great, for fear of being called a racist.
Pathetic.
Do you think that kids should be allowed to watch R rated movies?
Did you let your kid watch them?
What about television and cable? Do you belive in, and have you always practiced, a policy of letting your child watch any show on cable?
If not, why not? Don't you believe that if they see or hear something it won't make them like that? So you don't believe in any censorship for kids right?
With the "logic" I've seen here I guess you're going to tell me next that it is okay to let folks look at child porn because it won't influence them to be sexual deviants.
By the way, however talented I believe he was, I bet a lot of Johnny Cash fans have had problems with suicide and depression.
Finally, I should have pointed out above that Tim's "reasoning" about me not having children is just intellectually offensive. Do you challenge your kid's teachers and tell the school they're not qualified to teach kids if they themselves haven't made any? Gimme a break.
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Do you think a song will direct a child on how to live their life?
Do you think music is that powerful that it can ruin someone's life just by listening to it?
Do you honestly think, with any kind of parental guidance and care, that a person will turn out to live a poor life because of the music they listen to as a kid?
If you do, there is nothing I or anyone else can say that will help you understand.
Do you think music is that powerful that it can ruin someone's life just by listening to it?
Do you honestly think, with any kind of parental guidance and care, that a person will turn out to live a poor life because of the music they listen to as a kid?
If you do, there is nothing I or anyone else can say that will help you understand.
Southpark....I'm raising 3 daughters here and we don't permit them to listen to Rap, or watch MTV, VH-1 or BET....I guess our detractors would call that ignorant censorship...but it's still my home.
But then, I told my oldest girl that if she ever came home with any unauthorized body piercings or tatoos, we were gonna' get her the full treatment. I suggested she look up some old photos of members of the Ubangi Tribe in the Congo for examples.
So far...so good.
But then, I told my oldest girl that if she ever came home with any unauthorized body piercings or tatoos, we were gonna' get her the full treatment. I suggested she look up some old photos of members of the Ubangi Tribe in the Congo for examples.
So far...so good.
Southpark,
Could you please tell me which style of music you can dance too? Jazz, Blues & Classical puts me to sleep, Country & Tejano make my ears hurt, rock is good but not to dance too.
I agree with a lot of what you have to say but in music and movies and most anything else you have to be selective. How about all the slasher, blood & gore movies? I don’t let my kids watch those any more than I let them listen to all the ghetto rap.
I'm about your age and grew up listening to house, hip-hop, trance, euro and all the other "dance" styles. I like many I could probably still sing along with “rappers delight” if it came on the radio. If you want to pick on the words of songs then all styles have objectionable lyrics, not just rap. You said yourself, Eric Clapton & Cocaine, Jonnie Cash & Cocaine Blues, Willie Nelson who smokes marijuana, David Allen Coe & too bad for the radio, Ozzie Osborn & biteing the head off a bat. The list goes on and on.
My CD case is nothing but house, trance, & euro with some rock. I listen to all the "dance" stuff for the beat not the words. Which is what I tell my co-workers when they ask me how I can listen to that crap.
When my wife and I go out dancing there is no bending over or arse slaps, just two people dancing to a beat that can't be found in any other style of music.
Most rap I don't like and like most I don’t approve of most but not all of it. But some is good, & you forgot "Heavy D" he was a rapper & he didn’t use dirty or degrading lyrics.
Could you please tell me which style of music you can dance too? Jazz, Blues & Classical puts me to sleep, Country & Tejano make my ears hurt, rock is good but not to dance too.
I agree with a lot of what you have to say but in music and movies and most anything else you have to be selective. How about all the slasher, blood & gore movies? I don’t let my kids watch those any more than I let them listen to all the ghetto rap.
I'm about your age and grew up listening to house, hip-hop, trance, euro and all the other "dance" styles. I like many I could probably still sing along with “rappers delight” if it came on the radio. If you want to pick on the words of songs then all styles have objectionable lyrics, not just rap. You said yourself, Eric Clapton & Cocaine, Jonnie Cash & Cocaine Blues, Willie Nelson who smokes marijuana, David Allen Coe & too bad for the radio, Ozzie Osborn & biteing the head off a bat. The list goes on and on.
My CD case is nothing but house, trance, & euro with some rock. I listen to all the "dance" stuff for the beat not the words. Which is what I tell my co-workers when they ask me how I can listen to that crap.
When my wife and I go out dancing there is no bending over or arse slaps, just two people dancing to a beat that can't be found in any other style of music.
Most rap I don't like and like most I don’t approve of most but not all of it. But some is good, & you forgot "Heavy D" he was a rapper & he didn’t use dirty or degrading lyrics.
Dang Rico, I haven't listen to Heavy D in a long time. Man that dude was good. Remember Redhead Kingpin? They were pretty clean lyrically. Both were good dance music in the house dancing days. I have a great complilation CD a friend burned for me that has a bunch of the "classics" including Nucleus, LA Dream Team, LL in his early days and even some Hammer...lol.
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The point you are all missing is that not all Rap music is the bad variety. Music is music and genre's are all different. I personally listen to just about everything except klezmer music and selected others.
There is Rap music (Beastie Boys, Salt n Pepa, Run DMC, etc) and there is hardcore gangsta rap (NWA, Ice T, MC Schooly D, Public Enemy, Outkast, Snoop Dogg etc.) (***Disclaimer: Please remember, these are old school rappers and not necessarily indicative of the current trend) The current flavor of hardcore rap evolved from the clash between west coast and east coast rappers. (Remember, they've been killing themselves for some time, Tu Pac, and Notorious BIG to name a few) It is the influence of the lifestyle glorified in hardcore gangsta rap that is the curse of the Rap music genre. It's not that the music itself is bad, but the lyrics promote bad things like cop killing, drug use, alcohol and gang warfare. It's not just the black kids. Kid Rock who has turned more towards the rockabilly/country genre in recent years, started out as a well to do white kid on the streets of Detroit hanging with the black kids in some of the worst areas of the city.
The music (or insert your influence of choice here) is not the reason our kids are in trouble. They are in trouble because it truly takes a village to raise a child properly, and the days of the village are long gone. Parents no longer have the wealth of relatives and neighbors to help with the kids. Parents need to take responsibility for their children but many don't, and when the kids get into trouble they want to blame everything else. They don't realize that they need to be involved in their kids lives, know their friends and more importantly, their enemies. I was a single mom and not a friend of my children, I was their Mom. My house was not a democracy and they had no rights where their safety was concerned. I allowed them all the freedom in the world as long as I knew exactly where they were, who they were with and what they were doing at all times. Most times I was right there with them, but I never censored the music they listened to, or the television they watched or the movies they saw. If there was a question, we did it together.
Well enough preaching. My babies are older now and have families of their own. They have grown up well and make me proud every day.
There is Rap music (Beastie Boys, Salt n Pepa, Run DMC, etc) and there is hardcore gangsta rap (NWA, Ice T, MC Schooly D, Public Enemy, Outkast, Snoop Dogg etc.) (***Disclaimer: Please remember, these are old school rappers and not necessarily indicative of the current trend) The current flavor of hardcore rap evolved from the clash between west coast and east coast rappers. (Remember, they've been killing themselves for some time, Tu Pac, and Notorious BIG to name a few) It is the influence of the lifestyle glorified in hardcore gangsta rap that is the curse of the Rap music genre. It's not that the music itself is bad, but the lyrics promote bad things like cop killing, drug use, alcohol and gang warfare. It's not just the black kids. Kid Rock who has turned more towards the rockabilly/country genre in recent years, started out as a well to do white kid on the streets of Detroit hanging with the black kids in some of the worst areas of the city.
The music (or insert your influence of choice here) is not the reason our kids are in trouble. They are in trouble because it truly takes a village to raise a child properly, and the days of the village are long gone. Parents no longer have the wealth of relatives and neighbors to help with the kids. Parents need to take responsibility for their children but many don't, and when the kids get into trouble they want to blame everything else. They don't realize that they need to be involved in their kids lives, know their friends and more importantly, their enemies. I was a single mom and not a friend of my children, I was their Mom. My house was not a democracy and they had no rights where their safety was concerned. I allowed them all the freedom in the world as long as I knew exactly where they were, who they were with and what they were doing at all times. Most times I was right there with them, but I never censored the music they listened to, or the television they watched or the movies they saw. If there was a question, we did it together.
Well enough preaching. My babies are older now and have families of their own. They have grown up well and make me proud every day.
I likes da Rap, I loves da Rap. I loves me n da dawgs beein out n a bout. I likes the vigga, ofs me pullin da trigga, and me be seein anuther *****, **** ho bitch goin inta da riggor. My dawg be punk white ass, but he be soo fast, I may be haffa ta cap, hes white cracka ass. He be no lightie, he be fast in the da flighty, he be ready to swoon, any chump punk assed ****, who be lookin in black night, n hard assen da light. So ***** be a ware, I be give ya da dark stare, I'm da pimp of da woods, keep yo ho's of da hoods, locked up tite n so rite, cause I loves da rap, en I loves da fight. ****, ****, ****, we eats it wth da spoon, we be can't wait till da next full moon, den we be burn and destroy, den we's demand sum more, cause sure as it's sad, whitie pick up da tab, cause of the moon, we be looking for *****. And that's Rap music in a nut shell. T.
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