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I am ready to send my fixed barrels off to get backbored and choked. They will be used mainly for Sporting Clays, thus the need, on my end for chokes.
I've had a well known gunsmith, known for massaging barrels and choke tubes do a set in the past (25 years ago), but the work that I found to be the best was from Seminole. The forcing cones and the bores were as polished as polished could be, without my asking for anything special. The bores and forcing cones from the famous gunsmith didn't even compare.
I was going to send these barrels to the barrel specialist. He will back bore, then send them off to Briley for choke intallation. Once he gets them back he will tune each individual tube to shoot a specific way.
I'm thinking I'm going to let Briley do the work and see how the barrel shoots. Briley installed flush choke tubes in a set of barrels a few months back and other than the fact they took for ever, the work looks good and they shoot true.
How's Briley's backbore and forcing cone polishing quality? Has anyone had their barrels back bored by them?

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Briley backbored both of my Citori's O/U's to 0.743 and removed the forcing cones. Very happy with their work. I know this type of aftermarket work is controversial to some.

Nevertheless it seems that shotgun mfg's world wide are starting to market their new guns with both of these features.
I'm convinced both of those alterations help in recoil reduction and pattern performance.

Had Pro Port of Michigan backbore and remove the forcing cone in my Benelli Legacy auto and a
Browning 425 20ga. ( The 425 will puff Doves at 60 yards) Excellent work from Pro Port also.
( which is actually Mag-na-port International, Inc. )

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I had Briley back bore my MX15 and put their chokes in the barrel. At the same time, I sent a set of DB81 barrels to Tom Wilkinson to have them back bored and choked. When I got them back, the Wilkinson set outperformed the Briley barrel by a bunch.... Not that much price difference either...
 

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Without knocking any of the other smiths who worked on various barrels for me, I would recommend you talk to Kerry Allor before you do anything. He did my latest set of combo barrels. He is a perfectionist, and it shows. Finishes are the best I've seen from anyone, and the performance is astounding. He will have your tubes threaded and tailor the chokes to whatever you tell him you want to shoot. Of the "big" three barrel smiths, Allor is by far the best, IMO. Briley's folks are machinists. They simply cut metal. They don't "tune" anything. You want someone who will actually test and pattern your barrels and the chokes and them tweak them until you get what you asked for. Allor does this in spades.

I'll tell you a little anecdote. After Allor had finished working on my barrels, he patterned them using top factory ammo. He told me that the Federal GMs patterned a wee bit better that his beloved Nitro 27s. He also told me the U barrel performed splendidly with everything except 3 Dram 9/8oz loads and hotter. Since I had him put his bunker profile chokes in the O/U barrels, I told him I didn't care. I would never, ever be shooting 9/8oz anything in those barrels. He said he'd sleep on it. The next morning he called to tell me he just couldn't live with those results, and would I please give him another day to fix it. I told him to go ahead. He was pleased with the results and sent them back to me. I've still never fired 9/8oz loads in the O/U, but the 24g bunker loads destroy 27 yard targets with the U barrel and vaporize them with the O barrel. I have fixed chokes in all three barrels.
 

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Wilkinson or Allor--they are IMHO the 2 best barrel smiths out-there-Seitz uses Wilkinson, so does Harlan Campbell--If Krieghoff was OK why would Harlan spend the $$ to get his barrels tuned--because they work--its a confidence builder

My Infinity is perfect -its a gun of a different color-it works with the Briley chokes--its me not the gun that screws up

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I would agree that Allor or Wilkinson are currently the top 2 barrel guru's. That being said, if Tom Seitz were still alive today, he would rank #1 with me. I currently shoot an MX3 Special that has Seitz work on the single and the O/U barrels. Single back bored to .742" and choked .038", and the O/U barrels back bored to .742" choked .020" and .034". These are the best patterning barrels I have ever owned...without question..
 

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I would agree that Allor or Wilkinson are currently the top 2 barrel guru's. That being said, if Tom Seitz were still alive today, he would rank #1 with me. I currently shoot an MX3 Special that has Seitz work on the single and the O/U barrels. Single back bored to .742" and choked .038", and the O/U barrels back bored to .742" choked .020" and .034". These are the best patterning barrels I have ever owned...without question..
I had Tom do barrel work. His barrel work and gun was second to none.
 

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I have a Wilkinson barrel on my Ljutic Mono and it patterns ridiculously well never had any thing that throws such a nice round pattern with very little flyers!
 

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My barrels are off to Briley. I'm sure most of the barrel Gurus have someone who specialises in choke tubes, make it for them, they then massage the tubes to get the pattern they are trying to achieve. If my gun doen't pattern properly, I will then send them off to one of the top three. I did this because I've been procrastinating about sending the barrels off and if I didn't do it yesterday, it wasn't going to happen. They would have been put back on the K-80 And into the safe.
Does Bryley offer micro polishing of the bores and forcing cones if asked?
 

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I'm a firm believer in micro polishing a competition shotguns barrels! From forcing cone to choke tubes! Allows for less plastic build-up in all areas! Even with the cheaper plastic wads for reloads and cheaper new shells!

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I thought forcing cones were a good thing in competition guns. Why remove them?
The theory is that the longer the cone, the less deformity the shot will have as it goes through a longer cone. The other thing is that the cones and bore will be easier to clean with a polished job. Third, is less perceived recoil.
 

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Is it just me? All the choke tubes I have seen from Briley are rough. I have some Wilkinson bores and those babies are smooth.
 

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I spoke with Briley. The fellow said their work is polished, but did tell me that the work sheet had polish well written on it. I've never had barrel work done by wilkinson, so I can't comment. I have had Seitz, Eyster and others....none compared to Seminole.
I'll post what I think of the work I get from Briley.
 

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I just got my barrels back. The turn around time was very quick, compared to the last set of barrels Briley did for me. The packaging is second to none. The back boring was as they stated they would do and is highly polished. As for the polished forcing cones, you can see where the chamber stops, the forcing cone starts and ends, followed by the bore, whereas the barrels Seminole did, you cannot see the transition from the forcing cone to the bore.
I had 7 chokes made for these Parcours barrels and the transition from the choke tube to the bore is different on every tube .
It's storming here, so as soon as these rains subside, I'll put some paper out to check the pattern and point of impact.
 

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Why waste your money on these mods for a sporting gun ? It's one thing to achieve maximum performance for long distance trap or bunker, but the typical ranges for sporting clays not as demanding???
 

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Why waste your money on these mods for a sporting gun ? It's one thing to achieve maximum performance for long distance trap or bunker, but the typical ranges for sporting clays not as demanding???
Euro....there are many ranges and larger shoots that are throwing very salty targets. The targets that were thrown this year in Dubai were not light mod presentations. I'm sure a good shot will hit almost anything with a factory gun, but I can afford it, so why not.
BTW, the new K-80 Parcours is a fixed choke gun that comes with Mod/Imp Mod. This one came with Imp Mod/Full, which are too tight for my Sporting Clays gun liking, so why not back bore and thin wall it?
 

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Andy, you don't want to back bore your new Parcour BBl. K-80! The whole point of that gun is for lighter weight bbls.
Factory screw choke bbls are pretty heavy, so the Parcour bbls are livelier for FITASC targets. You don't have to tell me about salty targets, I belong to Northbrook and we throw them all the time! I personally shoot an old Model32 with backbored 32" fixed choke bbls and Brieleys. It feels a lot like a Parcour, and it was done for the same reason. You want salty, go shoot FITASC in England some time !
 

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I don't care for .732 bores. With modern wads, it's been proven that there's plenty of gas seal in a .740 barrel with less shot deformity and less perceived recoil. With the backbored barrels you can keep the weight of the barrel down, when adding extended choke tubes.
 
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