o.k. If you really like auto shut off powder and shot drops then you should buy the Patriot. Also the Patriot has a metering bar ILO the rotating gears on the 800 Plus. That is what all the other loaders use but I am not sure if it is better. The Patriot interlock that keeps you from backing up could prevent a mistake. The actuating arms on the 800 Plus are designed to let you back up just a little without picking up a second powder or shot charge. The Patriot is not available in .410 gauge. If you want to load .410's you will need a 800 Plus.Post your opinion for everyone to read Jim.