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I have some bpi pt1205 wads to use and was told to use 17.5 grns of titewad with 7/8 oz of shot. However when I tested these out most of them if not all of them were soft shooting and a few flakes of unburned powder left in the hull.

Federal hull
Cci primer
17.5 titewad
Pt1205
7/8 oz shot

Can someone help me out on what I’m doing wrong?
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I have some bpi pt1205 wads to use and was told to use 17.5 grns of titewad with 7/8 oz of shot. However when I tested these out most of them if not all of them were soft shooting and a few flakes of unburned powder left in the hull.

Federal hull
Cci primer
17.5 titewad
Pt1205
7/8 oz shot

Can someone help me out on what I’m doing wrong?
Told by who???

About the only place to find a tested recipe for these wads is in the BP Advantages manual. I am traveling right now, won’t be back to see my manual until next week, but surely someone else on the forum has one and can look it up for you. I have used some in the past, but it does not live up to its name, as I use as much of it as I do RD,Promo, or anything else. And it dribbles out the powder bar on a MEC a lot too. Still good stuff, though. Got two 8# jugs I’m getting ready to go through on some 7/8 and 1 oz loads.
 

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Told by who???

About the only place to find a tested recipe for these wads is in the BP Advantages manual. I am traveling right now, won’t be back to see my manual until next week, but surely someone else on the forum has one and can look it up for you. I have used some in the past, but it does not live up to its name, as I use as much of it as I do RD,Promo, or anything else. And it dribbles out the powder bar on a MEC a lot too. Still good stuff, though. Got two 8# jugs I’m getting ready to go through on some 7/8 and 1 oz loads.
Ballistics guy at bpi when my father ordered the wads
 

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Well, then, he should have been quoting from the bible. I use a lot of those wads, love them in those RIO and other roomy euro hulls for the light weight loads. Wads fit tight. 17.7 seems like it should be a good load, but I’m not looking at my “bible”.
 

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Here is the link to more data. VP05 is the same wad as PT1205.
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/VP05data.pdf
18 grs is the min I would use in a straight wall hull to get a consistent clean burning shell.
This load gives some idea for PSI at 18 grs, they do list a lower gr load, but psi drops into the 7000 range.
90526 891B 12 2.75 Fiocchi Fio-616 Titewad 18.0 VP05 OS12 7/8 Lead #8 8100 1255
 

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Here is the link to more data. VP05 is the same wad as PT1205.
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/VP05data.pdf
18 grs is the min I would use in a straight wall hull to get a consistent clean burning shell.
This load gives some idea for PSI at 18 grs, they do list a lower gr load, but psi drops into the 7000 range.
90526 891B 12 2.75 Fiocchi Fio-616 Titewad 18.0 VP05 OS12 7/8 Lead #8 8100 1255
Here is the link to more data. VP05 is the same wad as PT1205.
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/VP05data.pdf
18 grs is the min I would use in a straight wall hull to get a consistent clean burning shell.
This load gives some idea for PSI at 18 grs, they do list a lower gr load, but psi drops into the 7000 range.
90526 891B 12 2.75 Fiocchi Fio-616 Titewad 18.0 VP05 OS12 7/8 Lead #8 8100 1255
I don’t see any loads for federal top gun in this reference sheet you linked. Am I missing something?
 

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Here is the link to more data. VP05 is the same wad as PT1205.
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/VP05data.pdf
18 grs is the min I would use in a straight wall hull to get a consistent clean burning shell.
This load gives some idea for PSI at 18 grs, they do list a lower gr load, but psi drops into the 7000 range.
90526 891B 12 2.75 Fiocchi Fio-616 Titewad 18.0 VP05 OS12 7/8 Lead #8 8100 1255
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10tenner said:
Here is the link to more data. VP05 is the same wad as PT1205.
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/VP05data.pdf
18 grs is the min I would use in a straight wall hull to get a consistent clean burning shell.
This load gives some idea for PSI at 18 grs, they do list a lower gr load, but psi drops into the 7000 range.
90526 891B 12 2.75 Fiocchi Fio-616 Titewad 18.0 VP05 OS12 7/8 Lead #8 8100 1255
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I don’t see any loads for federal top gun in this reference sheet you linked. Am I missing something?
I interchange Federal Top gun, Fiocchi, Rio, Cheddit, and Grand American hulls. Granted I am not shooting high 11,000 + psi reloads. If you are concerned about psi pick a straight wall hull data in the 8000-9000 psi to be safe.
I chrono my shells with the goal of 1220-1250 range for recoil, But with those occasional long sporting targets a 1300 FPS 1 oz or 1250 1 1/8 oz of shot. I am well below the max psi load data for the given shell and components for that particular reload.
 

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Here is the link to more data. VP05 is the same wad as PT1205.
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/VP05data.pdf
18 grs is the min I would use in a straight wall hull to get a consistent clean burning shell.
This load gives some idea for PSI at 18 grs, they do list a lower gr load, but psi drops into the 7000 range.
90526 891B 12 2.75 Fiocchi Fio-616 Titewad 18.0 VP05 OS12 7/8 Lead #8 8100 1255
Do you know how hot the fiocchi primers are compared to the American primers?
 

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10tenner said:
Here is the link to more data. VP05 is the same wad as PT1205.
https://www.ballisticproducts.com/VP05data.pdf
18 grs is the min I would use in a straight wall hull to get a consistent clean burning shell.
This load gives some idea for PSI at 18 grs, they do list a lower gr load, but psi drops into the 7000 range.
90526 891B 12 2.75 Fiocchi Fio-616 Titewad 18.0 VP05 OS12 7/8 Lead #8 8100 1255
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Do you know how hot the fiocchi primers are compared to the American primers?
Probably know they are larger in diameter. Are you thinking of substitute another primer for the data?
 

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Probably know they are larger in diameter. Are you thinking of substitute another primer for the data?
I know fiocchi primers are larger, however I have never reloaded these top gun hulls so they still have American sized primer pockets. I would like to keep them American sized as I cannot get European primers at this time. I was thinking cci primers or I have Cheddites I can use but was hoping to use the cci for the top gun if possible.
 

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10tenner said:
Probably know they are larger in diameter. Are you thinking of substitute another primer for the data?
I know fiocchi primers are larger, however I have never reloaded these top gun hulls so they still have American sized primer pockets. I would like to keep them American sized as I cannot get European primers at this time. I was thinking cci primers or I have Cheddites I can use but was hoping to use the cci for the top gun if possible.
If you use CCI 209 you should be fine, but not CCI 209M primer being hotter. The Top Gun hulls you have, are they the older paper base, or newer plastic base Hulls? The new plastic base hulls have more volume and may require a taller wad. I am now using the PT1205 wad with the new plastic base Estate or Top gun hull with 18.3 grs Clay Dot 1 oz, 1220 through my Crono. The PT1232 wad had to much dish in the crimp.
 

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If you use CCI 209 you should be fine, but not CCI 209M primer being hotter. The Top Gun hulls you have, are they the older paper base, or newer plastic base Hulls? The new plastic base hulls have more volume and may require a taller wad. I am now using the PT1205 wad with the new plastic base Estate or Top gun hull with 18.3 grs Clay Dot 1 oz, 1220 through my Crono. The PT1232 wad had to much dish in the crimp.
The ones I want to use them in are the paperbase ones. I am loading 17.5 grs 700x and cb6100 with a cheddite in the plastic basewad. This is to tall of a stack for the paperbase so I was going to use the pt1205 with titewad
 

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10tenner said:
If you use CCI 209 you should be fine, but not CCI 209M primer being hotter. The Top Gun hulls you have, are they the older paper base, or newer plastic base Hulls? The new plastic base hulls have more volume and may require a taller wad. I am now using the PT1205 wad with the new plastic base Estate or Top gun hull with 18.3 grs Clay Dot 1 oz, 1220 through my Crono. The PT1232 wad had to much dish in the crimp.
The ones I want to use them in are the paperbase ones. I am loading 17.5 grs 700x and cb6100 with a cheddite in the plastic basewad. This is to tall of a stack for the paperbase so I was going to use the pt1205 with titewad
If both hulls paper and plastic base have same volume the paper base will generate less PSI.
Given the data for VPO5 wad at 19 grs TiteWad 7/8 oz 8600 psi. You should be safe using Cheddite primer and paper base Top gun hull.
 
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