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My wife and I both have neck problems. I am thinking of going the Gas Auto Loader route but, she isn't wanting to give up her pump gun. We already shoot 1 oz. loads. As far as recoil is affected by powder, I am going to try some reduced loads dropping into the 1150 fps range or lower. I am going to drop at least a grain in Red Dot going back to 17grs from the 18 gr load I now use, and in Green Dot from 19 .5 grs down to 18.5. In Clay Dot from 17.4 down to 16.9. I am thinking about the Win. Ball powders . What are some others that might spreading out the burn curve?
 

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My wife and I both have neck problems. I am thinking of going the Gas Auto Loader route but, she isn't wanting to give up her pump gun. We already shoot 1 oz. loads. As far as recoil is affected by powder, I am going to try some reduced loads dropping into the 1150 fps range or lower. I am going to drop at least a grain in Red Dot going back to 17grs from the 18 gr load I now use, and in Green Dot from 19 .5 grs down to 18.5. In Clay Dot from 17.4 down to 16.9. I am thinking about the Win. Ball powders . What are some others that might spreading out the burn curve?

Take the time to read the following linked information:

http://www.claytargettesting.com/study2/pages/study2.html


You are on the right track in reducing powder charge and charge weight for reducing recoil but the particular powder you use to get the charge to whatever velocity you choose to shoot doesn't have a whole lot of effect on recoil.

Don T
 

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Even "soft shooting" shells will have noticeable recoil in solid action shotguns. They help some, a well fitting gun helps some. More weight in the gun helps some. A spring or spring/hydraulic recoil system installed in the butt IS a sure solution. Ken Ruckers "bump buster " is the last one I bought and it works great. I tried all the mercury sticks, porting, wimpy shells, etc., and the Bump Buster was the best money spent. I know that they are not cheap, but I have spent more money on 3 XRAY's at the orthopedic office. You are eventually going to spend the money anyway, protect your body, not the medical community.
 

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Try a 1 oz. load using a Federal paper hull with a Windjammer wad, Winchester 209 primer, and 18.0 grains of Clays. This is what I use for the first shot of doubles. For a recoil sensitive shooter this load is very easy on the shoulder.
 

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For light recoil, I recommend Federal Paper Extra Lite 7 1/2's (new) or a reload of the Federal Paper hull, F209A primer, 18.5 grains of Green Dot, 12S3 wad or clone and 1 1/8 oz. of magnum 7 1/2's. This is a 1100 fps load but it shoots soft in my 870 TC Trap and really smashes targets. The 7 1/2 size shot retains its velocity better than 8 size shot. It will work well at any yardage on concrete. Yes, it is a tad slow but you get used to that real quick. Hard rights and lefts are no problem for me with this load. I don't like less than 1 1/8 oz loads.
 

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The friction of the comb on your face is as much a problem as the kick/recoil of the load to your shoulder. When the gun recoils, it is transferring some shock thru your jaw bone to your neck, especially when you keep your head down. See if you can try a gun with a Soft touch, HPI, GSquare, or Slick slide. The comb remains in place and only the stock recoils back, and even that has a recoil reduction device built into the unit. Helped me.
 

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Take the time to read the following linked information:

http://www.claytargettesting.com/study2/pages/study2.html


You are on the right track in reducing powder charge and charge weight for reducing recoil but the particular powder you use to get the charge to whatever velocity you choose to shoot doesn't have a whole lot of effect on recoil.

Don T

This link may be better:

http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/a-test-of-fast-vs-slower-powders-winston.68141/#677273

Don T
 

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Agree w/ hmb--7/8 oz @ 1150 to 1200 fps will shoot soft and you will be pleasantly surprised at how well they break targets.
 

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Super Target and Tite Wad seem to shoot soft for me.....but it might all be in my head. Have been shooting several 1 1/8oz. loads with reclaimed shot at 1100/1120 fps lately with Red Dot and Titewad and they seem very soft, esp. in Top Gun cases.
 

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Hello: Try some Extra Lite and 3/4oz loads of #8 with a modified choke. Very soft shooting and breaks them just fine. My 12 year old can even shoot them out of a gun that doesn't even fit him. He wanted to try it and he liked it. Thanks, Eric
 

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Use the slowest powder that you can get to burn consistently, add weight to the gun to dampen recoil. My stock is packed full of number 8 nickel plated shot to bring it up to about 10 and a half pounds. You can't get around physics, Newton had it right "Equal and opposite reaction" Shoot lower velocity, or less payload or both.
 

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The friction of the comb on your face is as much a problem as the kick/recoil of the load to your shoulder. When the gun recoils, it is transferring some shock thru your jaw bone to your neck, especially when you keep your head down. See if you can try a gun with a Soft touch, HPI, GSquare, or Slick slide. The comb remains in place and only the stock recoils back, and even that has a recoil reduction device built into the unit. Helped me.
I've had a couple different recoil absorbers. GraCoil, pad adjusters, Gooey pads, nothing works as well as a Soft Touch.
 

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Slide Action, I would stay away from the Win ball Powders if you are concerned about recoil.

To reduce recoil the most you want to reduce your velocity, as you already plan to do, but you can go further. Reducing the load to 7/8oz as suggested above will help, but maybe not as much as some think. What you are looking for is a light charge weight of a slower powder, and a light wad. I think in the 1oz to 7/8oz range you are looking in at between 1125 and 1150fps, you will probably like American Select or Solo 1000 the best. With 1oz loads, 17gr will get you 1150fps in a soft shooting shell. I also like 16gr e3, but that is awfully hard to find. Faster powders like ExtraLite and the like give you a sharp recoil pulse. You are looking for a slower impulse. The Windjammer 1oz wad is a good suggestion, because it is lighter than most, and wad weight does factor into recoil.
 

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Got back from the Doc today . They took a ton of X rays and it appears I have a spine compression(waiting on a back/spine specialist referral.) Going to try a light weight Gas gun and reduced loads for awhile. I'll put the old pump guns away till they get this sorted out. I will try to stay in the game. If I have to have surgery I will probably be side lined awhile. Thanks to all for your suggestions. Cheers!
 

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Use or reload papers, and invest in a soft touch or like device. Titewad is great for 1oz loads. Good luck.
 
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